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Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Morale from the initial and continued layoffs have utterly pulled the rug out from underneath the culture at Google. Any productivity savings they think they earned has afaict, but dwarfed by large margin in reduced productivity as people scramble to try and perform for whatever algorithm is being used to remove people.

Leadership all the way to the top is completely inept.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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post #85

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Having briefly interacted with the founders of Google a couple of times, I'm pretty sure it's by design. I think that at some point, they recognized that Google must turn into a big, boring company that communicates in platitudes. There is no other way to do it when you have 150,000 employees, trillions of dollars at stake, and every regulatory agency in the world wants a piece of you. Even in the late 2000s, when Go…

Does it actually take 150k employees to produce Google's output? They grew by like 30k employees since 2021 but I'm not seeing correspondingly more or better products.

I don't think it scales linearly anywhere. A significant part of the workforce is just there to provide services to the workforce itself. You have full-time engineers just maintaining tools for performance management, or for booking conference rooms, or requesting new laptops, you have legal teams for basically every country you operate in, etc. And then once these bureaucracies grow large enough, you hire people whose job is just to help others navigate the internal processes...

I mean, LinkedIn has what, 20,000 employees? If you had spherical developers in a vacuum, I doubt you'd need more than 40-50 to maintain their products, but there's more to running a tech company.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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I'm hoping they're building a commodity AR/VR operating system -- essentially spatial Android. They've already announced a partnership with Samsung and Qualcomm so I've got to imagine some interesting hardware is coming soon.

Meh, I hope they don't chase the VR train and instead focus on making Search actually usable again. It's soooo bad these days and actively getting worse, with ever more ads and SEO crap.

You seem to be under the impression that Google search got bad by accident? They killed it on purpose. They killed image search on purpose too.

Google does not accidentally do things with their core products, they choose and then execute negative user experience for their own benefits.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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"And I just want to clarify that, through these changes, people feel it on the ground and sometimes people write back and say, ‘Thank you for simplifying.’" Is there any mandatory training for CEOs to first understand when somebody is kissing up, second evaluate how devastating is cherry picking rare positive feedback to the company's morale? I can't believe top people can be so inept.

What he said probably cannot be verified, even. On another note, has anyone noticed how Pichai likes to take pictures in front of others’ work for the media [1]? To me, it’s a weird feeling—- like someone taking credit for others’ work. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/10/23/google-quantum-computing...

Eh, that's kinda normal. Just because the queen shows up to get photographed cutting a ribbon at a new university building, doesn't mean anyone imagines she laid any bricks or tiled any bathrooms.

The photo you linked to is only confusing because he's not wearing a suit. Chuck that guy in a suit, have him look on politely as someone in a high-vis vest or a lab coat points at something, and this photo would be one among thousands.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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post #93

(repost after every Google-bashing...) Alternate perspective as a longtime googler, ex-googler, mostly-happy user and shareholder. Please hear me out. As user, I'm pretty ok with Google. Websearch is sputtering sure but that's normal after a challenge like chatgpt. I tried Bing again and came back after a day. Google seems ok on privacy: in 2024, you don't see hackers exfiltrate Google data, employees abuse privilege…

Try buying some ads through Google ads and you might lose some of your optimism.

I want to run ads and I am unable to. Chrome never finishes loading ads.google.com so I switched to Firefox. It loads successfully on Firefox but I cannot get it to actually run an ad.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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post #39

"Decisions went from being made for the benefit of users, to the benefit of Google, to the benefit of whoever was making the decision." This is definitely a small-to-large company pattern I've observed

At least from my perspective it’s just the relentless pursuit of driving stock prices up

Why would that shift it from 'for the benefit of Google' to 'for the benefit of whoever makes the decision'?

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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post #77
post #33

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Waymo came out of X.

The question remains. Waymo is not really a product and it's unclear when it will become one in a broadly-deployed way.

What product does Uber or Lyft or DoorDash or Instacart have?

People take Waymo on a daily basis without incident. Just because it may not be available to you doesn't mean it's not real. It is heads and shoulders above anyone else in the industry.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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post #96

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The technology predates X; X just housed it for a while. There were self-driving cars at Google in 2008, that look almost exactly like the ones that drive around now, except the computer vision hardware was bulkier.

That doesn’t sound right. Do you mean the Google Street View cars? Those weren’t self-driving and Google didn’t start work on that front until Sebastian Thrun joined Google X in 2009.

Google X starting 2010. I saw self-driving cars (large spinning cameras) in the lot of Crittenden within a year of joining. So maybe it was 2009, but it was definitely before X existed.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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post #39

"Decisions went from being made for the benefit of users, to the benefit of Google, to the benefit of whoever was making the decision." This is definitely a small-to-large company pattern I've observed

At least from my perspective it’s just the relentless pursuit of driving stock prices up

And yet

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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post #119
post #93

(repost after every Google-bashing...) Alternate perspective as a longtime googler, ex-googler, mostly-happy user and shareholder. Please hear me out. As user, I'm pretty ok with Google. Websearch is sputtering sure but that's normal after a challenge like chatgpt. I tried Bing again and came back after a day. Google seems ok on privacy: in 2024, you don't see hackers exfiltrate Google data, employees abuse privilege…

Are gmail and gsuite really adding features? I've used Google Slides for over a decade and I don't see any real improvement; Google Drawings is just pathetic. Basically "Powerpoint from 2001, but with doc sharing".

G Suite (now Workspace) absolutely is, a ton:

https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/

This lists literally every new feature it gets. Browse to your heart's content.

Here's everything specific to Slides:

https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/search/label/Google%...

I think Sheets has seen the most improvements since that's what power business users need, followed by Docs.

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