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Microsoft Teams outage causes connection issues, message delays

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Re: Microsoft Teams outage causes connection issues, message delays

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Post by placatedmayhem »

proamdev123 wrote: post #107
placatedmayhem wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Offering a product for free or a significant discount with another product where a company has a substantial portion of that market to get a foothold and kill off competition in the free-/cheap-product's market is called "bundling" in anticompetitive regulations. Indeed, this is exactly what is happening with Teams compared to, say, Slack (which is generally regarded as the better team chat) or Zoom (better video con…

This link doesn’t say what you’re saying it does. From the link: > For competitive purposes, a monopolist may use forced buying, or "tie-in" sales, to gain sales in other markets where it is not dominant and to make it more difficult for rivals in those markets to obtain sales. This may limit consumer choice for buyers wanting to purchase one ("tying") product by forcing them to also buy a second ("tied") product as…

Teams is not free. It's been bundled for free with certain enterprise contracts. Here's list pricing for Teams:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-teams/compare-micr...

Re: Microsoft Teams outage causes connection issues, message delays

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Post by robertlagrant »

thecosas wrote: post #57
robertlagrant wrote: post #32

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People seem much harsher on Slack, for some reason. Sometimes being the better product just means people notice when it's broken.

I think (in general) Slack has been more open to automations and integrations, so entire workflows rest on it. Teams is catching up in this respect, but fewer people rely on it beyond day-to-day communication. Not that it's not important, but maybe just not as critical to things beyond person-to-person comms.

I disagree a bit: companies use it partly because it integrates with SharePoint, so a team can have a SharePoint folder easily. That often breaks down, because who needs access to that folder almost never maps to the team members, but it's enough to sell it to people to get their foot in the door, and after that they accept the hideous pain of changing it.

Re: Microsoft Teams outage causes connection issues, message delays

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Post by PeterStuer »

proamdev123 wrote: post #107
placatedmayhem wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Offering a product for free or a significant discount with another product where a company has a substantial portion of that market to get a foothold and kill off competition in the free-/cheap-product's market is called "bundling" in anticompetitive regulations. Indeed, this is exactly what is happening with Teams compared to, say, Slack (which is generally regarded as the better team chat) or Zoom (better video con…

This link doesn’t say what you’re saying it does. From the link: > For competitive purposes, a monopolist may use forced buying, or "tie-in" sales, to gain sales in other markets where it is not dominant and to make it more difficult for rivals in those markets to obtain sales. This may limit consumer choice for buyers wanting to purchase one ("tying") product by forcing them to also buy a second ("tied") product as…

Remember Internet Explorer? Also a 'free' product whose bundeling ran afoul of anti competition regulation.

Re: Microsoft Teams outage causes connection issues, message delays

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Post by antifa »

jwnin wrote: post #85
m348e912 wrote: post #73

I am sheepishly going to chime in and say I recognize many of ms teams shortcomings but I actually cringe when I have to join meetings on zoom or god forbid, webex. Joining meetings in teams and sharing screen works decently well for me and I do it enough that I am fairly satisfied with it. Could it be lighter weight? Yeah for sure. But I am definitely not running into the same issues that some people are seeing on t…

The new (non-electron) Teams 2.0 is lighter weight and subjectively feels more responsive, fwiw.

The only difference I've noticed is that I no longer get notifications that meetings have started, and also no longer have the ability to check if a meeting has started.

Re: Microsoft Teams outage causes connection issues, message delays

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Post by antifa »

dartf wrote: post #103

Every time my wife uses teams on 2.4GHz wifi our home network goes down. Works fine on 5GHz. Of course there is already a thread about this from 2020: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-teams/micro...

I've been using msteams against my will for years now. Everytime I experience a brand new bug I've not seen before, and would have expected to have seen it regularly if it were not a new bug, there are people complaining about from 2020.

Re: Microsoft Teams outage causes connection issues, message delays

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Post by w0m »

mh- wrote: post #63
w0m wrote: post #61

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My previous employer forced us to use a Hip hat instance. It was legitimately hell, deleting history randomly and just atrocious. Using Teams now (switched jobs) it legitimately feels mystical in comparison.

I can't help but imagine what it'll feel like if you find a job that uses Slack.

I use Slack outside work, and it's less buggy than Teams but the feature count is dramatically lower. Maybe as I use it mostly with non-technical groups. Feels 'fine' but people seem to clamor for Discord.

Re: Microsoft Teams outage causes connection issues, message delays

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Post by JeremyNT »

snowwrestler wrote: post #119
technick wrote: post #50

I got my first taste of teams about a month ago. I had to install it on my personal laptop for a job interview. After installation, my laptop started displaying notifications encouraging me to renew my monthly subscriptions to Microsoft Office and Xbox Game Pass, things I haven't had a subscription for in over a year. It automatically set itself to start up with the computer which isn't unexpected. However I disabled…

For those who don’t know, you can use Teams entirely in a browser. I use Teams all day at work and have never installed the client application. I just load up teams.microsoft.com in Chrome. Works great.

I'd stop short of claiming it works "great," but it is indeed usable and I'd second this recommendation if you're forced to use Teams. The "app" is just electron anyway.

Re: Microsoft Teams outage causes connection issues, message delays

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Post by myko »

portaouflop wrote: post #80
myko wrote: post #64

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If your org uses Microsoft products, typically a Teams license is baked in (or at least was at some point). So when it comes to choosing a better tool vs Teams it is an easy decision for the bean counters - we're already paying for Teams, let's just use it.

For sure - maybe I read GP in bad faith, but I understood it as “we have to choose Teams in my org because it’s a monopoly” Few things frustrate me more than being forced into an unproductive situation - completely kills my motivation.

I'm sure I could've worded it better, but the bottom line is we are an org that uses Microsoft - Azure, C#, etc.

Other options had no shot

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