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Re: Starship.rs: minimal, fast prompt for any shell

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Post by Twirrim » Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 1:58 PM UTC

juxtapose wrote: post #23

I've been using Starship for quite some time, and it's awesome! Definitely recommend it to anyone who wants a fast, modern, and rich prompt. Besides the product, the community is pleasantly awesome as well. I've contributed a module to it and the maintainer has done a good job reviewing and testing. Heck, they even have a Discord server for contributors.

I've tried a number of different shell prompt tools over the past few decades. I've disliked them all due to their latency. I don't want to "feel" the delay. They were all in scripting languages, be it native bash, or python or whatever.

I tried out starship about three years ago and it is so fast I don't notice its execution time at all. I switched and haven't looked back.

Re: Starship.rs: minimal, fast prompt for any shell

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Post by imp0cat » Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 1:59 PM UTC

sebzim4500 wrote: post #84

usrbinbash wrote: post #79

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The fact that this happens should be food for thought for part of the rust community. Because the way I see it, if they keep this up, a few years from now, they could, other than some obscure linux kernel modules almost noone uses and a good grep-alternative, be well along what I lovingly call the "Haskell Route".

What exactly should the takeaway be? Stop making things in Rust because people on HN will complain?

No, don't stop.

But it's an interesting observation, don't you think? Why is it that just by adding "... in Rust" you can almost guarantee that people will roll their eyes and think "oh, not another one".

Other languages do not carry such stigma, why does Rust have such reputation?

Re: Starship.rs: minimal, fast prompt for any shell

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Post by imp0cat » Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 2:00 PM UTC

pdimitar wrote: post #105

usrbinbash wrote: post #97

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> for part of the rust community. part is the important term here.

I still don't see your original point. Sounds like you have an axe to grind. I don't see anything negative in saying "written in Rust" or "written in OCaml" or "written in Haskell" or anything else. Using a particular language signals a certain subset of qualities and broadcasting those helps people filter what they are interested in.

It's only the Rust bit that seems to be problematic. I guess there is too much drama around that language?

Re: Starship.rs: minimal, fast prompt for any shell

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Post by pdimitar » Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 2:06 PM UTC

imp0cat wrote: post #123

pdimitar wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't see your original point. Sounds like you have an axe to grind. I don't see anything negative in saying "written in Rust" or "written in OCaml" or "written in Haskell" or anything else. Using a particular language signals a certain subset of qualities and broadcasting those helps people filter what they are interested in.

It's only the Rust bit that seems to be problematic. I guess there is too much drama around that language?

I never saw any drama. People have broadcasted that they rewrite stuff in Rust, yes, and that seems to have triggered an exaggerated annoyance response in many.

Re: Starship.rs: minimal, fast prompt for any shell

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Post by 3PS » Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 2:23 PM UTC

Narushia wrote: post #59

My interactive shell experience has substantially improved after installing Starship. :) The other thing was changing from Bash to Fish.

Chiming in as another fish+starship user. It's hard to imagine using anything else now; I get just about every feature I would ever want out of my shell with essentially zero configuration, which makes it easy to replicate my setup across a ton of heterogeneous devices and operating systems.

Re: Starship.rs: minimal, fast prompt for any shell

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Post by sebzim4500 » Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 2:52 PM UTC

imp0cat wrote: post #122

sebzim4500 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly should the takeaway be? Stop making things in Rust because people on HN will complain?

No, don't stop. But it's an interesting observation, don't you think? Why is it that just by adding "... in Rust" you can almost guarantee that people will roll their eyes and think "oh, not another one". Other languages do not carry such stigma, why does Rust have such reputation?

I don't know, but it certainly says more about the people rolling their eyes than it does about the people actually building things.

Re: Starship.rs: minimal, fast prompt for any shell

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Post by itishappy » Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 3:48 PM UTC

weebull wrote: post #58

Am I the only one who is getting tired of "It's X in rust" type projects? It's making me dislike the community. Rust is not a user feature, it's an implementation detail.

cntrl-f "rust" -> 2 results

I think you might just be prejudiced. Do you have the same reaction to, say, SQLite?

https://www.sqlite.org/index.html

> SQLite is a C-language library that implements a small, fast, self-contained, high-reliability, full-featured, SQL database engine.

Re: Starship.rs: minimal, fast prompt for any shell

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Post by imp0cat » Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 4:10 PM UTC

pdimitar wrote: post #124

imp0cat wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only the Rust bit that seems to be problematic. I guess there is too much drama around that language?

I never saw any drama. People have broadcasted that they rewrite stuff in Rust, yes, and that seems to have triggered an exaggerated annoyance response in many.

Yes, but why? Why does Rust (or, more precisely, the "rewrite in Rust" meme) such negative connotation?

Re: Starship.rs: minimal, fast prompt for any shell

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Post by FeloniousHam » Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 4:14 PM UTC

3PS wrote: post #125

Narushia wrote: post #59

My interactive shell experience has substantially improved after installing Starship. :) The other thing was changing from Bash to Fish.

Chiming in as another fish+starship user. It's hard to imagine using anything else now; I get just about every feature I would ever want out of my shell with essentially zero configuration, which makes it easy to replicate my setup across a ton of heterogeneous devices and operating systems.

Me too :). I do wish fish could seamlessly convert and run bash script on the fly..

Re: Starship.rs: minimal, fast prompt for any shell

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Post by pdimitar » Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 4:22 PM UTC

imp0cat wrote: post #128

pdimitar wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never saw any drama. People have broadcasted that they rewrite stuff in Rust, yes, and that seems to have triggered an exaggerated annoyance response in many.

Yes, but why? Why does Rust (or, more precisely, the "rewrite in Rust" meme) such negative connotation?

I honestly have no clue and will only speculate. The people criticizing the "rewrite it in Rust" or "written in Rust" monikers always came across as grumpy curmudgeons to me. I never saw an actual good technical criticism.

Also they might have made the mistake of judging a very big and heterogenous community by a few zealot loudmouths (and every community has those).

Informed and objective people shouldn't judge like that but I think it reinforces a preconceived notion that they already have.

The human brain can betray us like that. If you already dislike something, practically every criticism towards it, no matter how small, makes you immediately go: "A-ha! This thing is bad! I knew it!"