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HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by Teever »

prepend wrote: post #116
inasio wrote: post #6

Reminder that HPV in men has a similar association to oral/anal cancer, and this vaccine (ideally the quadrivalent version) prevents it too [0]. HPV vaccine campaigns often emphasize vaccinating only girls, but boys should be vaccinated too. [0] https://academic.oup.com/jnci/advance-article-abstract/doi/1...

The incidence of these cancers is much lower than cervical cancer. I think a more practical benefit to boys is the prevention of many strains of general warts and general herpes.

This vaccine does not prevent herpes.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by smeej »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #92
smeej wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A note about current sexual situation too: This first came out when I was in college. My (female) roommate wanted to get it immediately, even though she was very open about only having been with the man she was seeing at the time. When I asked her about it, since it seemed like her risk of contracting HPV would be very low, she mentioned she was doing it to mitigate the risks she faced as a woman who was barely 5 fee…

She could also get HPV if the man she was "seeing" at the time was seeing more people than just her (or had seen, ever).

Very true, but at least at that point, she trusted him a lot more than she trusted random other people.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by rootusrootus »

burnished wrote: post #120
rootusrootus wrote: post #51

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> as young as 12 Why the arbitrary line at 12?

Probably because they felt the need to draw the line somewhere to prevent hypothetical five year olds from demanding a dangerous cocktail of innoculants from every pharmacy in town, and probably the sense that at 12 you've developed enough for your sense of agency to be respected. Why does 12 sound arbitrary to you?

> Why does 12 sound arbitrary to you?

Because it is?

> they felt the need to draw the line somewhere to prevent hypothetical five year olds

> probably the sense that at 12

I think you get the point. 12 is entirely arbitrary. Some children might well be able to make sound choices like this at that age. Some definitely will not. You're advocating for a line at which parents lose their right to be parents while maintaining the rest of the responsibility for raising the child. You want to put the government in control. I think you need more than a sense before taking that step.

This is one of those ideas that sounds good mostly to people who don't have the responsibility of being parents.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by jeffbee »

burnished wrote: post #120
rootusrootus wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> as young as 12 Why the arbitrary line at 12?

Probably because they felt the need to draw the line somewhere to prevent hypothetical five year olds from demanding a dangerous cocktail of innoculants from every pharmacy in town, and probably the sense that at 12 you've developed enough for your sense of agency to be respected. Why does 12 sound arbitrary to you?

I picked 12 because that is the age of medical privacy in my state. It is consistent with the grade level at which schools teach comprehensive sexual health.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by burnished »

rootusrootus wrote: post #123
burnished wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because they felt the need to draw the line somewhere to prevent hypothetical five year olds from demanding a dangerous cocktail of innoculants from every pharmacy in town, and probably the sense that at 12 you've developed enough for your sense of agency to be respected. Why does 12 sound arbitrary to you?

> Why does 12 sound arbitrary to you? Because it is? > they felt the need to draw the line somewhere to prevent hypothetical five year olds > probably the sense that at 12 I think you get the point. 12 is entirely arbitrary. Some children might well be able to make sound choices like this at that age. Some definitely will not. You're advocating for a line at which parents lose their right to be parents while maintain…

Yes, I get the point that you couldn't muster an actual argument so resorted to an overly broad question that intentionally ignored context.

And I'm not advocating for anything, I just hate the insincerity that comes from people asking questions like that. Its also a little whiffy that you're trotting out the 'some kids will make good choices' bit with regards to this age range and the ability to ask a doctor for a vaccination - we normally reserve that line of reasoning where making a bad decision is attractive and an adult might also not behave responsibly.

Also point of order - what are you talking about, 'government control'? The topic at hand was literally whether 12 was an appropriate age to start respecting a persons wishes when it came to seeking a vaccination. It is troubling that you see that as government control, and troubling that you see this as 'losing your right as a parent'

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by orangepurple »

TylerE wrote: post #72
londons_explore wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many vaccines become 'perfect' by causing the disease they treat to die out in the local community. It doesn't need to be perfect at the individual level to cause that - and in fact many vaccines at the individual level actually have pretty bad metrics - like for example only preventing half of cases.

You're seeing this in vivo with polio - POLIO!! - starting to make a reappearance in some of the more extremist Hassidic communes in NYC. Those groups do not get vaccines.

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Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by saintfire »

prepend wrote: post #116
inasio wrote: post #6

Reminder that HPV in men has a similar association to oral/anal cancer, and this vaccine (ideally the quadrivalent version) prevents it too [0]. HPV vaccine campaigns often emphasize vaccinating only girls, but boys should be vaccinated too. [0] https://academic.oup.com/jnci/advance-article-abstract/doi/1...

The incidence of these cancers is much lower than cervical cancer. I think a more practical benefit to boys is the prevention of many strains of general warts and general herpes.

Males not contracting HPV stymies the transmission to unvaccinated females, if cervical cancer is the only concern for some reason.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by snakeyjake »

logicchains wrote: post #62
chimeracoder wrote: post #56

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> I don't understand why they recommend against it. I guess the monetary costs don't outweigh the benefits, but that's only if you care more about saving money than potentially preventing cancer. It's not like the vaccine going to hurt you. All vaccines have a nonzero risk of adverse outcomes. That can be as simple as the risk of physical injury due to incorrect administration of the needle. That's weighed against th…

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> It's still the riskiest pharmaceutical product the average young person will take.

Acetaminophen is the riskiest pharmaceutical product the average young person will take.

It's so risky that EMS and ED staff are extremely well attuned to detecting and deploying effective interventions so that even when one doesn't die due to the entire scientific might of medicine being thrown at them, about a third of people who overdose and survive will have kidney and stomach problems for the rest of their (quite frankly, miserable) lives.

The antivax morons would be better served by being antiaceta.

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by Moldoteck »

Moldoteck wrote: post #24

Does it make sense to get a vaccine for older ppl, like 30y, does this still apply for men?

thanks for replies, will get one with my gf, even if we have a strain, looks like vaccine could be beneficial anyway

Re: HPV vaccine study finds zero cases of cervical cancer among women vaccinated <14

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Post by [deleted] »

alfor wrote: post #117
ahazred8ta wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lifetime risk of ever getting cervical cancer is about 1%. So, $30,000 per prevention if you just count the girls, or $60k if you vaccinate the boys as well.

*Assuming the vaccine has zero risk and don't cause other problems.

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