Apple to Developers: Heads I win, tails you lose (part 2)

Post by smoldesu » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 10:08 PM UTC

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Apple charges the same developer fee to both iOS and Mac developers. Mac developers are free to distribute apps how they please, and use whatever payment APIs fit their use case. iOS developers cannot distribute apps freely, and must surrender 15-30% of their software revenue to cover something . So, what is that something? What is Apple charging for on iOS that isn't necessary on Mac? Presumably, nothing. iOS is a l…

iOS devices are vastly more attractive to bad actors than Macs have ever been. At least get that right. Then you might want to take a look at some basic business courses on how pricing works. You seem to be operating in the paradigm of commodities being sold by weight. Take a look at things like service bundles and differential pricing, and you'll start to understand that these kinds of arguments aren't the 'gotcha'…

Post by kj99 » Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 11:52 PM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #122

kj99 wrote: post #121

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iOS devices are vastly more attractive to bad actors than Macs have ever been. At least get that right. Then you might want to take a look at some basic business courses on how pricing works. You seem to be operating in the paradigm of commodities being sold by weight. Take a look at things like service bundles and differential pricing, and you'll start to understand that these kinds of arguments aren't the 'gotcha'…

> Take a look at things like service bundles and differential pricing I'm well familiar. Both of them come up rather often in antitrust suits.

Post by Gatorguy » Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 2:42 PM UTC

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I doubt it, otherwise we'd see this in Android. And while it does happen of course, it's vanishingly rare. Anecdotally I have plenty of friends and family who are neither technically proficient nor well educated and they seem to be doing just fine. Instead it's a boon, especially for folks like myself who use a fair amount of software from alternative stores/installers.

As far as I know, Android also doesn't have the same level of privacy requirements and permission prompts to show the user. Facebook et al. don't have much of a reason to push a third-party app store. In addition, exploitation might be transparent to the user, i.e. a botnet that runs in the background[0] or replacing ads in other apps to steal their revenue[1]. People use iOS and recommend it to their friends/family…

Post by nodamage » Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 11:06 PM UTC

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> This is just literally wrong, by-definition. No it's not. There are plenty of ways to distribute software without Apple being involved at all. Perhaps you meant to argue that Apple has a monopoly on iOS software distribution , but that's not actually what was originally written. It's also highly questionable given that the courts have rejected "iOS software distribution" as a valid antitrust market for the purpose…

I didn't say they had a monopoly on all software distribution. I said that claiming Apple had no monopoly is wrong. > It's also highly questionable given that the courts have rejected "iOS software distribution" as a valid antitrust market for the purpose of monopolization claims. Pray tell, in which jurisdictions?