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The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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Re: The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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I wonder when the english (at least American english) pronunciation of robot changed? I sometimes listen to old radio dramas as I fall asleep and the older the show the more likely they are to say "row butt" instead of "row bot."

Isaac Asimov used to say "row butt" but I can't think of anyone else who did/does.

For example here is an episode of the shohw 2000 Plus from 1950-52 where in the first few seconds the woman says row butts. https://youtu.be/L1EDCwU7sJI?si=M3tHqG33Y1agVW4r

Re: The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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Speaking of Slavic etymology and robota, "slave" is derived from "Slav".

slave (n.) c. 1300, sclave, esclave, "person who is the chattel or property of another," from Old French esclave (13c.) and directly from Medieval Latin Sclavus "slave" (source also of Italian schiavo, French esclave, Spanish esclavo), originally "Slav" (see Slav); so used in this secondary sense because of the many Slavs sold into slavery by conquering peoples. https://www.etymonline.com/word/slave

Indeed, which is interesting, because “Slav” comes from the word for “speech” or “word”. In Polish, for example, “word” is “słowo”, whereas “Slavs” is “słowianie”. Germans are “niemcy” from “niemy”, meaning “mute”. So to be a Slav meant to be intelligible and able to speak, whereas Germans were unintelligible or “mute”. Compare this to “barbarian”, from the Greek, which comes from the sound of the unintelligible speech of foreigners to the Greek ear (“barbarbar”, almost like “blah blah blah”).

Re: The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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I wonder when the english (at least American english) pronunciation of robot changed? I sometimes listen to old radio dramas as I fall asleep and the older the show the more likely they are to say "row butt" instead of "row bot."

One of the first twilight zone tv episodes, maybe even the first one, featured that pronunciation also.

Re: The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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His robot was hijacked to mean a mechanical man with gears and wires inside and he objected to that. I'm thinking of course that the public only had experience with these things — or perhaps this was another fear of the time, the mechanization of jobs, and so the robot became the perfect avatar for this fear and so evolved. But surely the idea of a mechanical man predates the term, robot. Automatons? Or is the distin…

> But surely the idea of a mechanical man predates the term, robot. Automatons? Greek myth has Hephaestus (Vulcan to the Romans) making a bunch of robots. Talos was a giant humanoid guardian of Crete made of bronze. I can't remember the names of his forge workers, but there were two of them and they worked with him pumping bellows and hammering metal.

I was curious about the assistants to Hephaestus you mentioned - apparently Vergil describes two cyclopes, Brontes (thunder) and Steropes (lightning), as helping him at the forge. Earlier myths about cyclopes describe three of them (Brontes, Steropes and Arges (brightness)), who predated the birth of Hephaestus and were credited with forging Zeus' thunderbolts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclopes

Re: The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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dang, can we change the title back to the original. This article is about "the man who the word robot" not "a man who coined the word robot". I know that often "the man" is used for clickbait purposes. Here it is just being accurate and to the point. The title being used now suggests that many people have coined the word robot which is untrue.

Yes, fixed now. But I only saw this by accident, and rather late in the day! As lolinder said, the only way to get guaranteed message delivery is hn@ycombinator.com.

Re: The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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When asking Google - what the etymology of the "robot" word is, the answer is from Czech word "robota" which is they translate as "forced labor". While I don't speak Czech, I speak Polish which is a close cousin. For years it didn't occur to me that "robot" and the shortened "bot" words have slavic etymology. In Polish "robić" means to do (carry out, perform etc.) something. "Robię kawę" means "I'm making a coffee" a…

Speaking of Slavic etymology and robota, "slave" is derived from "Slav".

That's nonsense, not true and a libel. That words are INDEPENDENT: slave doesn't mean faming, people names: Bogusław mean Godfaming - not slave of god, Mieczysław mean Swordfaming - not slave of sword.

Re: The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

#127

I wonder when the english (at least American english) pronunciation of robot changed? I sometimes listen to old radio dramas as I fall asleep and the older the show the more likely they are to say "row butt" instead of "row bot."

Isaac Asimov used to say "row butt" but I can't think of anyone else who did/does.

Correction, as the sibling post pointed out, Zoidberg does this as well, maybe it's a (New York) Jewish thing?

Re: The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dildog posted a meme on this topic recently on Mastodon: A group of monks sit around the Buddha. Monk: Buddha, what makes us human? Buddha: Selecting all images with traffic lights. https://hackers.town/@dildog/111644483541067122

Sorry for an intellectually vacuous comment, but: Wow! Somehow this hit way harder than I was ready for!

Same here! Cross-pollination of ideas is one of my favorite aspects of the internet. Happy to be of service.

Re: The man who coined the word "robot" defends himself

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post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But surely the idea of a mechanical man predates the term, robot. Automatons? Greek myth has Hephaestus (Vulcan to the Romans) making a bunch of robots. Talos was a giant humanoid guardian of Crete made of bronze. I can't remember the names of his forge workers, but there were two of them and they worked with him pumping bellows and hammering metal.

Galatea is a marble statue which the sculptor falls in love with. The statue is then animated by Aphrodite.

"yay it's human" "oh no, it's too human" a tale as old as time, a song as old as rhyme.
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