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Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions

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Re: Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions

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> laid off employees who worked on ... the Pixel phone. That sounds weird to me. Pixel phones has grown very fast in the last years and I don't se how it can be seen as anything but a great success.

Google is increasingly treating Android as an iOS alternative for the developing world and outsourcing core Android development to its Indian offices.

The reason they are doing this is probably because the non-tech management MBAs running Google are all using iPhones.

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#122

The masks have finally fallen. Vote with your labor and be willing to change immediately jobs (that is why remote is great). If you did not like what the manager said in a random meeting quit on the spot, find another job online. No more notice courtesies. It's gonna be great.

There's going to be no tech jobs in America is what's going to happen. That's where this is headed.

Why? You think they'll outsource work to foreign countries?

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My firm made billions last year too and just laid off hundreds of engineers (a decent %) Some of the best engineers, those that I respected the most, went. People who make no sense. After last year's layoffs they told us they were "done" and it was "all behind us". Last year then turned out to a better year financially than 2022 (we have access to the top line numbers) You can't trust anything anyone above you in the…

Don't love your job, it will never love you back.

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My firm made billions last year too and just laid off hundreds of engineers (a decent %) Some of the best engineers, those that I respected the most, went. People who make no sense. After last year's layoffs they told us they were "done" and it was "all behind us". Last year then turned out to a better year financially than 2022 (we have access to the top line numbers) You can't trust anything anyone above you in the…

"Those that I respected the most." I always say this, but if you appreciate someone at work, dont say it to them. Say it to management. Managements face an impossible task of appreciating every single employees' worth. You can help.

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I'm surprised to see so many comments here taking layoffs personally, or talking about how layoffs are stupid. Layoffs are not personal, and the corollary to that is that you should never treat your company as a friend. It's a company trying to maximize value. Also, layoffs do work. Almost every large, successful company has done them at some stage. They are an expected, and necessary, part of operating a company and…

I’m surprised to see even one comment that appears to be arguing that a layoff cannot be stupid or have a negative effect on the company value.

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#128

AI has increased productivity which might be a reason for it

It's starting to replace some low-level jobs, like copywriting and art-based positions. For development, the only thing I've found it good for is giving me example usage for custom Apis and other things that I can't just Google/download.

It's marginally better than Stackoverflow (which I've only ever used to give me an idea that I then turn into my own code, usually written from scratch, because most code is littered with security vulnerabilities).

It's a long way from replacing developers or increasing productivity on a measurable level. It's also like building your business on quick sand. Some feature you use today might be put behind a higher pay-tier (or removed) at any time.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

IT salaries are high mostly because the people who can do the job well can also do other jobs well, so if salaries go down then people change careers. For example, most people who can do IT could also become an electrician, for which the demand is currently high. > Also ChatGPT and other AIs increasing developers, artists, etc. productivity - so fewer people can do as much work. This is the sort of thing that increas…

Most people who do IT can become an electrician ? Im curious why you think that. Also Im not too sure about high demands for electricians. This seems to rely on a booming real estate market which is in a whole world of trouble

> Most people who do IT can become an electrician ? Im curious why you think that.

It's fundamentally the same kind of mix between following bureaucratic rules and manipulating man-made technology.

> Also Im not too sure about high demands for electricians. This seems to rely on a booming real estate market which is in a whole world of trouble

Real estate prices are still incredibly high, driven by undersupply of housing, which is unlikely to abate soon. As long as prices are high, construction will be profitable. If prices crash the Fed is likely to lower interest rates which makes construction profitable again, because the prices are lower but so are the construction company's borrowing costs.

There also seems to be some political support for doing something about the high housing costs, like relaxing zoning rules, which would allow new construction in places it's currently prohibited.

Re: Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions

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My firm made billions last year too and just laid off hundreds of engineers (a decent %) Some of the best engineers, those that I respected the most, went. People who make no sense. After last year's layoffs they told us they were "done" and it was "all behind us". Last year then turned out to a better year financially than 2022 (we have access to the top line numbers) You can't trust anything anyone above you in the…

This is kind of silly. You probably chose to work at a company that “made billions”. You probably sought some perks related to doing so, be it remuneration, prestige, whatever. This is in part a game you choose to play, and the company that’s making billions is acting like a company that makes billions. You may in the future choose to make a different trade-off and work elsewhere? And I don’t mean some grow-or-die VC…

I have a hard time believing faang employees won't just drop the company they are working for if they are offered a 15 percent payrise from a competing company. Employees don't have to be loyal to their employers, why do employers have to be loyal to employees?
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