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kagi.com

I know that jumping in to mention Kagi has become a meme on HN, but I do think it's important to keep encouraging people to move away from Google. The specific search engine barely even matters, as much as I like Kagi. The only way that any of these search engines are going to improve is if more people leave Google in the dust.

If people don't want to pay for Kagi, then use Brave Search. DuckDuckGo was really gone downhill, so it's hard to recommend that.

Re: www.google.com – The page is blank when accessed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a much easier explanation. They didn't test on it at all. It's a browser with sub-5% market share. There are folks in Google who personally test on firefox and believe in it ideologically as an important peace of the web ecosystem, but that's not a company policy and detecting Firefox bugs does not gate feature release for most projects.

That's just sabotage with extra plausible deniability.

Is it "sabotage" when you don't intentionally devote resources to making some random third party's browser work? What obligation do they have?

Mozilla has cachet with nerds like us because of its history. Not because it's particularly better than alternatives or because it has enough of a user base to throw its weight around.

In contrast, they do test on Safari. They'd lose double-digit percentages of users if they didn't.

The ecosystem, unfortunately, generally has room for three top browsers. I'm not even sure Firefox is number four these days.

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Another reason to stop using Google. Don't waste the opportunity! Switched to DDG ages ago, and even though it's not amazing, it's already better than Google. Although, if we're honest, searching these days is absolutely atrocious everywhere. Any keyword search will only net you ads or "top X" articles full of SEO garbage most likely written by AI at this point...

Not necessarily everywhere, or at least not quite as bad as you're suggesting, in my experience.

I used to advocate for DDG, but they've gone so far downhill that I rarely waste my time with it. They've decided to go PG-rated everywhere even if you have safe search turned off. This is a problem because, even if they just want to block porn or illegal things, this can have an impact on legitimate academic research. And yeah, SEO trash floats to the surface, though they aren't entirely in control of this.

Kagi (which relies on Brave Search instead of Bing) has less flotsam to start with, provides lots of great tools to filter out the garbage, and is subscriber-driven instead of advertiser or investor driven.

DDG had potential, but they decided to give into moral panic and coast on their modest success instead of making substantial improvements. They also decided to pull a Mozilla and spend unnecessary effort working on a browser when they should be focusing on their core product. It'd be one thing to make a browser if their core product was actually good, but the best they are offering is a pinky-swear that your searches are private.

Re: www.google.com – The page is blank when accessed

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Key part ( from https://github.com/webcompat/web-bugs/issues/131916#issuecom... ) "This is entirely server-side UA sniffing going wrong. You get an empty HTML doc, only a doctype, with a Firefox Android UA. You can reproduce this with curl, $ curl -H "User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Android 10; Mobile; rv:123.0) Gecko/123.0 Firefox/123.0" https://www.google.com % and it seems that this affects all UA strings with versions >…

Specifically, Firefox Mobile.

Whatever UA string Firefox Mobile sends in desktop mode returned fine.

Re: www.google.com – The page is blank when accessed

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Google is tracking the incident here: https://status.search.google.com/incidents/hySMmncEDZ7Xpaf9i... Disclosure: I work at Google but not on this. This was linked from the Bugzilla bug.

What I don’t understand is why this isn’t just a rollback, or at worst a revert commit and redeploy. I can forgive an issue with a slightly obscure browser, but the fix should be trivial for Google engineers?

Perhaps it's been a while since it's broken? url-bar search works so this seem to only happen if you navigate to google.com directly. How many people navigate to google to search, while using firefox on android? Just a hunch though.

OTOH, it's amazing that apparently they don't have UI tests for FF mobile.

Re: www.google.com – The page is blank when accessed

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The user agent header has always been a mistake. I'm not sure what companies like Google are thinking when they block features from working based on the user agent. In Firefox, I use an add-on that randomizes the user agent string, and I've configured it to use a handful of the most common user agent strings. Occasionally, parts of YouTube will break because of a certain user agent configured, like chats or chat replay, showing nothing but a broken frame with no meaningful information to a non-developer. I guess one could say that it encourages people to update their browsers, or use Chrome which auto-updates, but come on. If a feature legitimately doesn't work, then the user still has to update to a modern browser anyway.

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post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking domains is big part of why I use Kagi, I wish they should share their top blocked domains or make it that people can share their blocked domains to help others. They have this https://kagi.com/stats , but I'd like something I can import into my own settings to use.

You mean this page ? https://kagi.com/stats?stat=leaderboard The top 7 blocked domain are just pinterest.

Yes, like that but I'd like to be able for people to share here is my list of blocks, here is my list of lowers, etc.

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post #93

Another reason to stop using Google. Don't waste the opportunity! Switched to DDG ages ago, and even though it's not amazing, it's already better than Google. Although, if we're honest, searching these days is absolutely atrocious everywhere. Any keyword search will only net you ads or "top X" articles full of SEO garbage most likely written by AI at this point...

For people who don't know them yet: use DDG bangs. For example "!m restaurant [citynmae]" will immediately bring you to Google maps, "!w chemistry" will open Wikipedia etc. Super easy and powerful :)

DDG was great anyway, but discovering their !bangs was a revelation. Super cool stuff!
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