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Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by JCharante »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #50
snotrockets wrote: post #23

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Google’s executives would very much like to operate in China, only they faced public pressure (the term to search for is “project dragonfly”). I won’t be surprised if they’ll retry to enter China soon.

They faced internal pressure from employees as I remember it. They shutdown their Chinese sites after the PLA was caught hacking Gmail accounts in Hong Kong, but this was when Paige and Sergey were more involved (being from formerly authoritarian communist countries).

> but this was when Paige and Sergey were more involved (being from formerly authoritarian communist countries).

Does this mean S&P would be more receptive to operations in China or less receptive to it?

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by bdowling »

devilbunny wrote: post #81
bdowling wrote: post #37

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That would be the obvious solution, but it’s not surprising they couldn’t agree on a price when they operate in very different industries. Masimo makes medical devices, ones whose prices are probably both high and skewed by insurance. Apple is a consumer devices company and may not be able to justify a high royalty price and still meet certain consumer price points. Another possibility is that Apple’s watches may be…

Apple isn’t going to go into medical devices that are certified for diagnostic use unless they’re nuts. There’s a lot of money there, but it’s hard to get and way outside their core businesses. That $8 pulse oximeter from aliexpress is better than nothing, but it’s a long way from what Masimo or Medtronic (Nellcor) sell. And the prices for oximeters aren’t really affected by insurance, as individuals almost never get…

This is great info.

As a follow-up, it looks like Masimo is trying to make a consumer watch-like device (or possibly just pretending to so they look like a competitor to Apple). https://www.masimopersonalhealth.com/

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

JCharante wrote: post #121
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They faced internal pressure from employees as I remember it. They shutdown their Chinese sites after the PLA was caught hacking Gmail accounts in Hong Kong, but this was when Paige and Sergey were more involved (being from formerly authoritarian communist countries).

> but this was when Paige and Sergey were more involved (being from formerly authoritarian communist countries). Does this mean S&P would be more receptive to operations in China or less receptive to it?

Less, much less.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by theturtletalks »

borgunit2 wrote: post #115
theturtletalks wrote: post #80

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How do companies like FairPhone exist then?

Well we exist too, but it makes it a tiny bit harder to sleep at night having nightmares about trolls. Thankfully we haven’t been targeted. I do think a better system exists, and I’m all ears for any ideas around patent reform/USPTO funding.

Wait so you and FairPhone could get sued by a patent for a small screen with internet?

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by borgunit2 »

theturtletalks wrote: post #124
borgunit2 wrote: post #115

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Well we exist too, but it makes it a tiny bit harder to sleep at night having nightmares about trolls. Thankfully we haven’t been targeted. I do think a better system exists, and I’m all ears for any ideas around patent reform/USPTO funding.

Wait so you and FairPhone could get sued by a patent for a small screen with internet?

IANAL, but I feel like everything has basically been patented these days. The wording in many is so vague.

They would probably be thrown out in court, but that takes time and money. Small startups have very little of either.

I am really just pointing out that we need patent reform and better enforcement very badly.

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Post by robertlagrant »

snotrockets wrote: post #52
robertlagrant wrote: post #33

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Public pressure vs $1tn. Hmm.

Right now, part of that pressuring public also includes elected representatives in positions of some power over Google, which is quite the stick. Of course, such elected are replaced every few years.

So it's not public pressure, it's powerful people who don't like Google.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by snotrockets »

robertlagrant wrote: post #126
snotrockets wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now, part of that pressuring public also includes elected representatives in positions of some power over Google, which is quite the stick. Of course, such elected are replaced every few years.

So it's not public pressure, it's powerful people who don't like Google.

Those people are beholden to public pressure. That's how representative governments tend to work.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by robertlagrant »

snotrockets wrote: post #127
robertlagrant wrote: post #126

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So it's not public pressure, it's powerful people who don't like Google.

Those people are beholden to public pressure. That's how representative governments tend to work.

Sure, but the claim was that they faced public pressure. The reality is likely not that millions of people marched to put pressure on Google, nor to ensure their representatives knew what to do in this situation, but that some powerful people (who happen to be elected representatives, maybe) decided that Google should be dissuaded from this path, and that's what happened.
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