HN, really??? TÜV is a german organization and they will post biased studies to show German cars as better ones. Real studies must come from politically neutral countries that doesn't have their own car production, like Belize, Singapore or Cape Verde.
Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom
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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom
#122This is not about failure rates or an indication of quality. This is faults found during a scheduled inspection. Normally this means finding faults that occur since the last maintenance interval. If a car has a long or no maintenance interval (like Tesla) then more faults are expected. Also note that failure can mean windshield wiper needing replacement or headlight re alignment rather than a premature part failure.
Yeah, it's a bit odd. Combustion cars have less registered failures... because they're serviced more often? So more servicing = fewer failures at the time of this test. Duh. That doesn't say anything about the robustness of the car yet.
Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Picking VW as an example for Infotainment is the equivalent of picking Tesla for reliability: a way to show how not to do it.
I can vouch that Dacia or Renault is not any better and serve as a pure gateway to Apple Carplay.
My Renault Megane e-Tech has an Android Automotive-based system[1], and it feels quite nice compared to the other cars in its segment that I tried.
The interface feels smooth as a tablet, and I don't think they've done too many weird customizations. Overall quite pleased.
[1]: https://9to5google.com/2021/09/06/android-automotive-renault...
Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom
#124Wait, where can I access the list? thanks
Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom
#125Tesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.
I don't own a Tesla, but I have a relevant anecdote related to your post. I rented a Model 3 in Switzerland and while the car was drivable, I felt that the interior was cheaply made, giving the impression that I was driving a toy car.
The car had a lot of plastic and whenever I drove over bumpy roads, there were cracking friction sounds everywhere. Additionally, the acceleration was extremely sensitive, making it difficult to maneuver in tight streets.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
My last two new ICE cars had horrible infotainment that crashed constantly, loose fits, and an interior that rattles until it drives one to violence. I'd say they are competing on even grounds here.
Were they luxury cars, like teslas?
> luxury cars, like teslas
Model 3s are not luxury vehicles. By feature set, positioning or price point.
Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom
#127My experience as a Model Y owner:
What works:
- best in class software quality. Both various controls (lights, wipers, electronic parking brake etc.) and infotainment work just right.
- Navigation is quite good, especially considering it automatically adds/ suggests charging locations as needed.
- Steering assist (automatic lane and speed control) is quite handy. I never felt the need for trying out autopilot.
What doesn't work: it's just one thing for me: you cannot trust Tesla:
- Battery mileage. My model Y is supposed to give me 330miles on a full charge. For the recommended 80% charge it should be ~260 miles but in reality, I get 125 miles in winter and 200 miles in summer.
- Price drops. Cars depreciate but to have a $10-15K price drop right after I purchased really sucked. For this reason alone, I will never buy a Tesla again.
- For a 70K (model Y) car, it rattles, and they will charge 30$ to test for rattling.
- I haven't faced them but I often read about poor quality issues like cracked roof, wheels falling off (yes !).
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#128Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m surprised that you find the software to be junk.. that’s supposed to be one of their strong points. I found the software on the Model S I borrowed for a trip a while back quite nice. But I guess the issues aren’t surface level?
We had a model s, the software crashed constantly. Or just locked up. Nothing like having your dashboard go black at 70 mph to instill confidence in your car.
My 8 year old Volvo does that rarely (two times in 8 years). At least it has a watchdog that reboots the dash and keeps running.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think Tesla embodies the SV mindset very well, even demonstrates it in a tangible form. They move fast and break things.
> They move fast and break things. You forgot the third: they (Silicon Valley) also change the world. For the better. Most of my (and my family’s) every day work and fun are coming from SV. I would not give it up for anything else. If occasionally breaking things is the price - I am more than willing to pay it.
> they change the world. For the better.
That's up for a through debate, but not today. Let's leave it at I don't agree that part 100%.