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Wayland vs. X – Overview

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Post by powersnail »

belval wrote: post #20
edent wrote: post #10

I don't know what I'm doing wrong with Wayland. I have a cheap Linux laptop, with built in graphics. And Wayland works perfectly. I can run multiple monitors with one of them rotated. When I tried that with X I got lots of juddery tearing. I can take screenshots and share my screens via video calls. But everyone says it doesn't work due to security. I have fractional scaling and it doesn't seem to burn out my CPU or…

You only get one chance to make a good first impression. Wayland is probably much better than when I tried it in 2019 but all I remember is the 2019 experience. I think a lot of people are in the same boat.

> You only get one chance to make a good first impression

There plenty of chances to make good non-first impressions though.

I used to check periodically whether Wayland works better than X for me, until it does one day, and I switched.

Not everybody hold on to the shadow of a bad first impression. It’s unfair when subject to another human being, and irrational when subject to a product.

Re: Wayland vs. X – Overview

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Post by DonHopkins »

pjmlp wrote: post #89
DonHopkins wrote: post #69

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That totally misses the point. How about running Wayland on systems that a non-negligible number of people use, like Macs? Or even an enormous number of people, like Windows?

Why when both systems have great window managers?

Since when did Windows or Macs ever have great window managers?

If you just ran a web browser directly on the hardware (or native window system in full screen mode) instead of bothering with non-great X11 or Wayland or Windows or Mac window systems, then you could write great window managers using open standards that ran identically across Linux, Mac, and Windows, plus mobile and VR devices too.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38710127

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Post by dinkleberg »

jsrjenkins wrote: post #114
bradrn wrote: post #40

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Odd, I use Arch (well, EndeavourOS) with Sway and have experienced no problems. Quite on the contrary, my setup with a high-DPI laptop + external monitors is far nicer with Wayland than with X.

How is it nicer with Wayland? I have a high-DPI laptop and it works great with X11. What would I gain with Wayland?

Screen tearing is the big pain of X11 in my experience. Most things work fine, but watching videos or playing games is a terrible experience when dealing with constant screen tears.

I tried a bunch of different configs and was able to minimize them significantly, but they were still there.

Re: Wayland vs. X – Overview

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Post by pestatije »

edent wrote: post #56
pestatije wrote: post #16

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try running VLC

Yup, plays everything just fine - on both laptop and external screen.

you might be playing tricks with us...vlc is known to be broken with wayland...if your being honest consider yourself lucky

Re: Wayland vs. X – Overview

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Post by lucideer »

psanford wrote: post #60
account42 wrote: post #46

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You haven't even mentioned which wayland compositor you are using. Which is one of the biggest problems with Wayland - there isn't just one Wayland but Gnome Wayland and KDE Wayland and wlroots-based Wayland and Gamescope Wayland. What functionality is available and working and using which API varies between all of these. This includes really basic things like window decorations. This is different from X where the co…

Yes this. If you use gnome or kde you probably will have no issue with the transition to Wayland. If you use any other window manager then the transition will be painful because there's a bunch of things that don't simply map over from x WMs to Wayland compositors. I just did this switch and found it incredibly frustrating. Simple things like, "I would like to be able to log out and return to my greeter" don't just w…

> If you use gnome or kde you probably will have no issue with the transition to Wayland

Anecdata but I've had a LOT of issues with kde & wayland, mainly due to SDDM.

Re: Wayland vs. X – Overview

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Post by ur-whale »

RealCodingOtaku wrote: post #92
ur-whale wrote: post #74

So, here's one thing I need to know: X can open a window on another machine over ssh Can Wayland do the same?

You can do it with waypipe[1]. But Wayland itself doesn't support remote rendering by choice[2] as it is outside its scope. [1] https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mstoeckl/waypipe/ [2] https://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html#heading_toc_j_8

So remote in Wayland is a bag on the side that requires work and integration.

Hard pass on wayland right there.

At least until it offers RR natively (meaning: I don't have to waste hours of my life to get it working).

Re: Wayland vs. X – Overview

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Post by pjmlp »

DonHopkins wrote: post #122
pjmlp wrote: post #89

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Why when both systems have great window managers?

Since when did Windows or Macs ever have great window managers? If you just ran a web browser directly on the hardware (or native window system in full screen mode) instead of bothering with non-great X11 or Wayland or Windows or Mac window systems, then you could write great window managers using open standards that ran identically across Linux, Mac, and Windows, plus mobile and VR devices too. https://news.ycombina…

Better than what most GNU/Linux folks use, many of whom apparently would be quite happy using twm.

Re: Wayland vs. X – Overview

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Post by okasaki »

shadowgovt wrote: post #33
okasaki wrote: post #18

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I literally cannot get Wayland working. Everything is broken. It's slow, the fractional scaling doesn't work, full screening apps like vlc or games turn off my monitors, the distro installer crashes, playing a youtube video makes my laptop heat up like crazy, one time a display change made my laptop's screen flicker so hard that it persisted after I restored the settings, another time it turned my monitor's bright re…

Outside of using Wayland, do you do much 3D rendering? The symptoms you describe almost sound like a dying 3D graphics card (or 3D graphics card with misconfigured drivers). I wonder if Wayland is requiring the 3D layer to do its compositing and other window engines don't?

My laptop isn't dying, dude. It works perfectly in Windows 11 and X11, including running the latest games.
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