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New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

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Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

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This idiocy will only hurt the working class employees who drive in from the outerboros.

How can the working class afford to park in NYC? A monthly subscription to a parking lot/garage is $400 + monthly.

They street park for free which usually turns over between 9-11AM in all of the villages.

Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

#122

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I'm sorry but this isn't indicative of the reality of driving in NYC. If you drive into NYC, you will have to park. When you park you'll need to pay for a lot or a garage. Daily parking in NYC can cost $50-100, monthly subscriptions can easily run over $500. Even if the unlikely happens and you find a parking meter those are $10 an hour. Poor people aren't driving into NYC, they're commuting on trains like everyone e…

Poor people park on the street for free and work or own the local businesses. They open their shops around street parking hours near them.

This simply isn't true, where is there free parking in Lower Manhattan, on a day other than Sunday? And also you're telling me the poor people are small business owners in NYC?

Out of all of parking in Lower Manhattan maybe 5% is free. And it's still very difficult to get that parking.

Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

#123

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You must be joking. Since tyrant Robert Moses, NYC is undeniably built for cars. Maybe if anything had changed since then you would have a point, but the fact is American society is wholly incapable of even maintaining, much leas building, public infrastructure due to its demented obsession with privatization and profit, so NYC's transit system is a clusterfuck of rot and in no way something to be proud of.

Yes, but this is a move in the right direction.

No, it's a scam that will backfire and ultimately end in regression. You can't just get rid of cars. You have to replace them with something. Working people will feel the pain of this because the trains are already way too overcrowded.

Punitive measures in the absence of constructive measures will absolutely fail. This isn't complicated.

Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

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Yes, but this is a move in the right direction.

Hijacking infrastructure (roads only for busses) seems like a weird way to reduce “congestion”

It does work to an extent, but it's an appallingly cheap strategy that will fall very short of making NYC public transit remotely decent.

Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

#125

"...$2.50 that will be charged to vehicles from ride-hailing platforms such as Uber..." One simple trick can save you $12.50. NYC is out of control with taxes and regulations, but... When I lived downtown, each morning, the glass of water on my nightstand would have a little oil slick of sorts atop it. When everything was shut down at the start of the pandemic, the constant stream of vehicles stopped. My water was th…

Why should we cater our city to people who don't live here?

Because many of them work in the city, bringing in a lot of tax revenue for New York (city and state) as well as providing services to the residents.

Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

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Why should we cater our city to people who don't live here?

Because many of them work in the city, bringing in a lot of tax revenue for New York (city and state) as well as providing services to the residents.

When those people start paying NYC income tax (which tops at around 4% of income) then I think we should cater more to them BUT they don't. The people who actually in the city and actually have to pay that tax should have their city catered to their likes. No one forces those people to work in NYC an no one forces them to drive. The vast majority of commuters outside of NYC take public transportation. People can either pay the toll or take public transportation.

Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

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>owning a car already puts you in the upper tier of wealth in the world In the context of Greater London this is absurd.

Car ownership is correlated with income in London. https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/what-london-assembly-do...

Something of a Simpson's paradox there that one of the boroughs with some of the country's wealthiest households (Chelsea), maintains one of the lower levels of car ownership (35%).

Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

#128

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Not sure how this is relevant. There is a point where $100+$15 is too much and simply people can't afford more than that. So this is about pricing people out of coming in. It doesn't matter WHY they need to be there. If you have no money? GTFO. Then if you say this has nothing to do with the poverty, then in that case, how is it going to reduce the congestion?

"Congestion as in there is too many poor entering the Manhattan, so they set the fee so only those who can afford $15 can enter." You said that will adversely affect the poor but that's not true, what poor person is spending $100 a day on parking? Poor people use trains like nearly everyone else does. The extra $15 will discourage people from making unnecessary trips into the city thus reducing traffic/congestion and…

Poverty is relative. Someone may be compensated well enough to afford rent, parking and all that, but after paying everything they have little money left for themselves. That $15 may eat into this meaning you may reconsider whatever arrangement you have - effectively pricing you out.

> The extra $15 will discourage people from making unnecessary trips into the city thus reducing traffic/congestion and improving quality of life for people who live in the city.

How is that going to do that? If someone is affluent, I don't think they are going to think twice about spending $15 extra. It will discourage people who cannot afford it.

> For instance if someone live in Brooklyn and needs to make a trip to lower Manhattan they'll be more likely to use public transportation.

Yes, people who can't afford spending $15. Anyone else will continue as they do, as private transport is safer, quicker and more convenient - plus there will be better traffic, as the poor will be taken off the road.

Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

#129

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Poor people park on the street for free and work or own the local businesses. They open their shops around street parking hours near them.

This simply isn't true, where is there free parking in Lower Manhattan, on a day other than Sunday? And also you're telling me the poor people are small business owners in NYC? Out of all of parking in Lower Manhattan maybe 5% is free. And it's still very difficult to get that parking.

It sounds like you’ve never tried to park downtown. I drove, lived and parked daily for free in Manhattan for 6 years

The entire length of Manhattan from below 14th street/above Houston on every single street has free street parking as long as you can comply with the 1.5 hours twice a week that you can not park there. It’s a few choice streets and aves that are the exception to this.

Business owners and employees park in those spots daily because street cleaning hours take place typically before 11AM, so they just drive in and hang out for 10 mins before getting free parking all day.

Ya buddy, go run the numbers on a wash and fold service or any small business with 6-7% cash on cash returns and lmk how much is left at the end of the month to pay $450 for congestion fees.

Re: New York approves the first congestion toll in the US: $15 to enter Manhattan

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Because many of them work in the city, bringing in a lot of tax revenue for New York (city and state) as well as providing services to the residents.

When those people start paying NYC income tax (which tops at around 4% of income) then I think we should cater more to them BUT they don't. The people who actually in the city and actually have to pay that tax should have their city catered to their likes. No one forces those people to work in NYC an no one forces them to drive. The vast majority of commuters outside of NYC take public transportation. People can eith…

We in NJ who work in NY already pay income taxes to NY state even if we don't reside in the boroughs.

Instead of charging me $15 more to visit, go have Adams ask Hotchul for money if you want to reach further into my pocket.

But you can't, because NYC can't elect competent representatives. De Blasio, really? Adams' recent scandal? Just have someone who can negotiate with their own goddamn party.

So instead you bastards rob me.

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