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Dismantling the Israeli ethnostate is not the same thing as destruction or genocide of people living in Israel. I've seen many cases where the former is wilfully misinterpreted as the latter.
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#122Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…
Cherry picking a few hashtags is not a credible analysis. That being said, it’s well known that millennials and gen z support Palestine so it’s not surprising a platform with those demographics would have more pro Palestine content.
I am surprised that tiktok makes that data public
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> I think they are saying that the composition of users of these apps skews one way rather than the other due to pre existing stances I think the notion that the vast chunk of Twitter or TikTok had a pre existing stance on Israel/Palestine before Oct 7 is kind of silly, imo? Before this I could scroll Twitter without seeing anything about Israel or Palestine for... idk. Weeks, months at a time. I'll maybe see one thi…
> I really struggle to believe anyone beyond a small minority even thought about Palestine or Israel before Oct 7. I grew up in the 1980s and recall intense flareups on this subject matter for as long as I can remember. The arrival of the Web and social media simply amplified them.
This is the correct view. The Palestinian issue is a deeply-felt issue for a quarter of the world's population, give or take.
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#124I think the behavior of the EU is more problematic TBH. Ursula VdL went heavily pro-israel the first day kind of giving carte blanche to israel for the following days This situation is not a good look for western response in general. The world is watching. Reminder that Srebrenica was 8000 deaths, but 17100 palestinians are justified losses.
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I don’t think that most (nearly all?) pro Palestine critics are saying that Hamas is in the right. All of the wording I’ve seen was focused on Israel’s and the IDFs response and actions. As you’ve mentioned, killing civilians is a war crime.
Many civilized nations have military installations, such as headquarters and office facilities, co-located and intermixed with civilian facilities. They also have military bases and complexes, but the intermixing is not unique to Hamas.
When the Palestinians in Gaza have been denied elections in nearly 2 decades and have expressed discontent with Hamas as well, it sounds disingenuous to characterize it as “invited […] so deeply into their everyday lives.”
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It's back on. Perhaps -
The time has come,' the Walrus said,
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Of shoes — and ships — and sealing-wax —
Of cabbages — and kings —
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#126Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…
>US views skew pro-israel, and GenZ is closer to 50/50, so if there's something going on online, it's not in favor of Israel.
That could also mean that Israeli online propaganda is ineffective, not that it doesn't exist. Even if they haven't made ground online, pro-Israeli views are universal in the mainstream media, with pro-Palestine reporters being fired.
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#127I have no skin in this game. What I have seen is a confusion (perhaps intentional) between anti-semitism, and protesting Israel’s behavior since the Hamas attack in October. Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response.
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#128Most of what I see online and in the news is pro-palestine.
Reading up on the conflict, I support Israel more and more.
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#129Bit of a tangent, but I'm proud of the HN community. This post was flagged almost immediately, even though there were around 70 upvotes. Then, the admins decided to give us a chance. And so far, the discussions have been civil and very interesting.
Don't forget that you can "vouch" for an article or comment that you think was unfairly flagged. From the FAQ: > If you see a [dead] post that shouldn't be dead, you can vouch for it. Click on its timestamp to go to its page, then click 'vouch' at the top. When enough users do this, the post is restored. There's a small karma threshold before vouch links appear.
That's a great reminder, thank you!
I should revisit the guidelines and the FAQ sometime.
Also, here is a link that explains undocumented features and behaviors of HN for anyone interested:
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> Anything other than an unequivocal win over Hamas will be unacceptable and lead to more violence down the line. Some argue that "unequivocal win over Hamas" should be achieved without wiping out the rest of the population, housing, hospitals, infrastructure, etc
Hamas is not a just stray gang in Gaza. It’s the (once) elected sovereign. It holds all executive positions and runs anything in Gaza. Any hospital in Gaza is controlled by Hamas.