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Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address
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Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address
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I think this doesn't quite qualify if it only affects customers that are currently in Russia. If a person was born in Russia, created their Hetzner account there, then emigrated, and they still get their account closed, that's "judging them for something in the past that they had no control over" - quite similar to racism in my book. If they get a chance to show that they are not "based in Russia" and then their acco…
Updating their postal address with appropriate supporting documentation should be enough to avoid termination for accounts that have emigrated. They said in the email to "take appropriate action now". If you left but never updated your postal address, that's on you. There's no racism going on here.
Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address
#123Quite a few of Russians have been using Hetzner's servers to host VPN services for personal use, for their family members, friends...
/sarcasm on
Thank you Hetzner, for making it so much easier for Putin and his Goebbelses to brainwash
Russians and turn them into North Korean zombies..
/sarcasm off
Roskomnadzor keeps blocking sites in Russia en masse, and Western governments keep enacting policies that keep us from accessing the truth and fighting the state propaganda.
Hetzner's decision won't hurt Putin and his regime in the slightest. In fact, it will make it even stronger..
Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
As far as I know most cloud services of US big tech is still functioning in Russia. Including YouTube, Gmail, advertising services etc. Facebook was blocked the Russian government not Facebook itself. My guess is that the US authorities appreciate the data they can gather from these sources.
But you can't pay for them without workarounds.
SWIFT works in Russia (for selected banks), AFAIK.
Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
OFAC(Office of Foreign Assets Control) sanctions are clear-cut and they can issue very large fines for non-compliance. These sanctions have been in place for a while now. It sounds like someone flagged this to their legal department, who then advised to go nuclear, given the threat of large fines.
OFAC seems like a US thing, correct me if I am wrong.
Yes, you are right, but they also serve the US market.
LOCATION. We host our cloud instances in our own data centers in Nuremberg and Falkenstein (Germany) and in Helsinki (Finland). In Ashburn, Virginia and Hillsboro, Oregon (USA), we also provide AMD-based cloud servers and cloud features.
Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address
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I don't think this qualifies, as the definition is as follows: >prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized. There is no discrimination on racial or ethnic lines going on. If Russia wouldn't have invaded the Ukraine they wouldn't…
> Actions have consquences
Actions performed by one set of people (government). Consequences are for average Russians, who don't have any say. Those who "actioned" did not face any consequences still, and I don't think they will.
Almost 2 years passed since invasion, EU still buys resources from Russia. Children of Russian politics still live and study abroad, EU and US included. But average Russians, yes, they faced a lot.
Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address
#127[flagged]
I think this doesn't quite qualify if it only affects customers that are currently in Russia. If a person was born in Russia, created their Hetzner account there, then emigrated, and they still get their account closed, that's "judging them for something in the past that they had no control over" - quite similar to racism in my book. If they get a chance to show that they are not "based in Russia" and then their acco…
This doesn't seem to be the case. I registered my Hetzner account while living in Russia, and in 2022 I emigrated, and updated address - I did not get any termination letter. Looks like they are banning only those who presently live in Russia - not everybody who ever lived there.
Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address
#128So why now? Almost 2 years after the invasion. My guess is that Hetzner got tired helping intelligence services bug their customers: https://www.devever.net/~hl/xmpp-incident
There is nothing to do with intelligence. They got on radar of Russian government. Which wanted Hetzner to follow Russian law and move all Russian data to Russia in order to operate with Russian citizens. Means literally Russian government expects companies to open data centers within borders and keep all the data inside the country (they even issued a law for that). Obviously Hetzner doesn't want to do so.
You can find the full list of "lucky" companies in here -- https://236-fz.rkn.gov.ru/agents/list (sorry, it's in Russian, but google translate should help you out).
Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address
#129Does any company fire their American customers because of the calamitous Iraq war and related war crimes? Do companies fire their Israeli customers because of the current bombing campaign? What about Argentinian customers? Melei has contempt for European style democracy. Should Chinese customers get the boot because of the horrific treatment of Uyghurs by the Chinese Party? Should Hetzner also fire their German custo…
I already posted this in another thread here. This particular change is not because isolationism. Most likely.
Russian government added Hetzner to the list of companies who must move their infrastructure within Russian borders in order to operate with Russian citizens. Few years ago they introduced a law on how companies have to process personal data. (It is kinda similar to GDPR, but the government might abuse it in the way to get access to data government needs). Obviously Hetzner doesn't want to create infrastructure on Russian soil. It was quite risky even before the war.
You can find the full list of "lucky" companies in here -- https://236-fz.rkn.gov.ru/agents/list (sorry, it's in Russian, but google translate should help you out).
Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address
#130[flagged]
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