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DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by wizardwes »

gnicholas wrote: post #15

> With the changes required by NYC and the impact it will have on our system, we are pausing our Priority Access program, which gives Dashers who have high ratings priority on higher-paying offers. Since Dashers will earn a guaranteed minimum rate, the benefits offered by this program will not apply in NYC. The Top Dasher program is still available for qualified NYC Dashers. So they're guaranteeing higher pay for all…

Trust me when I say, being in those high echelons isn't worth it for a driver. Everyone will be happier with this. Getting a higher rating priority usually means that you lost money, and are just planning to be dashing a ton at a lower quality the next month to offset it. You have to purposefully accept untipped orders at bad ROI restaurants to achieve those numbers.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by Jerrrry »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #43
dangrossman wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sick and disabled greatly value the advent of delivery apps. Not all who use them can reasonably "just pick it up yourself".

So the suffering of the sick and disabled is of higher value (by some measure) than that of DoorDash gig workers? Why not both? DoorDash can have less profits, and government can provide some support, and everyone comes out ahead except shareholders getting a bit less return (oh noes) and management having lower comp (again, oh noes ). These are the people doing the actual work. You are pitting the wrong socioeconomi…

>DoorDash can have less profits, and government can provide some support, and everyone comes out ahead

The government should just nationalize everything to force the ideal distribution of wealth and effort.

just remember youll be one of the first volunteered to the factory, where you will retire against the wall.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by johnnyanmac »

legitster wrote: post #92
8bitben wrote: post #18

The platform fees and the insane menu price markups that restaurants apply for delivery app orders have made it impractical to use Uber Eats & DoorDash for a couple years now IMO. I only ever consider using them when offered at least 50% off. Mandated minimum earnings will benefit the drivers, but that won't help drivers that have to quit the platforms because people stop using them.

It was never a sustainable business model to begin with. It takes 10 minutes for a chef to make my meal, and 25 minutes for someone to come to the restaurant, pick it up, and drive it to my house. The only way it works is if someone else's time is an order of magnitude less valuable than yours.

>The only way it works is if someone else's time is an order of magnitude less valuable than yours.

Targeting mainly the wealthy isn't necessarily a bad business strategy.

It should also be noted that it's also useful for bulk order to people and those unable to physically move themselves to a place (disability, lack of car, etc). It's not a "use everyday" mechanism, but it has uses.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by 19f191ty »

wenc wrote: post #48
19f191ty wrote: post #14

Assuming a delivery worker works 5 hours a day for 5 days a week, that's roughly 35,916 usd. As a PhD student that hits hard.

As a former PhD student who made $28k (which was on the higher end, most made $20k) I’d always known there were better paying jobs out there. But I also lived in a LCOL city where my rent was $500 (room in an house with 5 roommates) and I lived super well.

It's not just any job though. Food delivery is amongst the lowest skilled jobs, while research is amongst the highest. Also, good for you that you lived super well But not everyone is comfortable living with 5 roommates.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by mrguyorama »

ryaneager wrote: post #31
dangrossman wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Briefly, in 2019, until it made the news and the policy was changed so that drivers kept 100% of tips. There's more nuance than "DD was keeping tips", but plenty already written about that if you care to find the 2019 articles.

It’s not more nuanced they were skimming tips and got caught.

Some programmer wrote that statement in the code, wrote the function that was given a tip amount and a driver profile and reduced the tip amount to give the driver under certain circumstances. Someone cut that ticket, brought it up in a grooming session, people asked and answered questions about exactly when a driver's pay should be docked. Other devs probably approved the PR. I bet it even has a clear and concise comment explaining the math and the business purpose. I bet there's a unit test about "do_not_overpay_driver_with_tip". Jesus

I bet they all came onto HN and bitched about taxes and Unions after.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by johnnyanmac »

gnicholas wrote: post #15

> With the changes required by NYC and the impact it will have on our system, we are pausing our Priority Access program, which gives Dashers who have high ratings priority on higher-paying offers. Since Dashers will earn a guaranteed minimum rate, the benefits offered by this program will not apply in NYC. The Top Dasher program is still available for qualified NYC Dashers. So they're guaranteeing higher pay for all…

>Will this encourage some of these top workers to leave the platform, since they can no longer get access to good orders based on their track record?

this isn't uber. Do people actually pick who delivers their often fast food?

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by zepton »

hoten wrote: post #12
koolba wrote: post #8

> Dashers who deliver in NYC will now earn at least $29.93 per hour of active time, nearly twice NYC’s $15 minimum wage for other workers. What’s a realistic amount of “active time” per hour? I’m assuming waiting for a job is not active time right? > These new regulations will force us to raise fees for orders in New York City. In order to better balance the impact of these new costs, we’re moving the option to tip i…

They should be forced to be honest and call it a bid, not a tip.

Keep in mind that in NYC tips are exempt from sales tax, but bids for services are not. So customers would pay 8.875% more if DoorDash stopped pretending the payments are tips.

(there is a sales tax exemption for mandatory gratuities, but that only applies where the ultimate recipient is an employee whereas DoorDash deliverypeople are independent contractors - https://www.tax.ny.gov/pubs_and_bulls/tg_bulletins/st/gratui...)

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by hypeatei »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #94
bluSCALE4 wrote: post #51

I personally feel like outsourced delivery for hot food orders at peak hours is a flawed idea. I've used Grubhub and it seems like they try to group deliveries. In my situation, I had a driver pick up my food only to drive it around down and deliver it to me 40 minutes later. If I order from a place and they don't have a driver on staff, I won't order delivery.

Seems insane that people living in inner cities need to get food delivered. Unless there is a good reason you are handicapped etc. or maybe just had a baby. But for most people routine delivery when you can walk 5 minutes and phone ahead that order is fine.

Not really insane when you consider that money can buy you more time. It's very convenient to get food delivered on these apps.

Whether it's financially responsible or not depends on the individual.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by 19f191ty »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #78
19f191ty wrote: post #14

Assuming a delivery worker works 5 hours a day for 5 days a week, that's roughly 35,916 usd. As a PhD student that hits hard.

That's "active work" though. So you're also going to be spending a lot of extra time sitting in your car waiting for delivery offers to come in. Outside of lunch and dinner hours, you'll probably be spending an equal amount of time idle as you are "active" according to DD.

I'm aware, that's why I counted just 25 (active) hours per week.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by acchow »

hotpotamus wrote: post #41
kiba wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't really viable business models to begin with. Only VC funding can keep these online platform up.

I've never really gotten this. We can speculate about the intelligence of VCs, but I assume most of them know a bit of basic math. I wonder if perhaps they are so deep into a bubble of wealth and privilege that to them, spending $50 for a (cold by the time it arrives) burger seemed reasonable. Perhaps they thought that once everyone could experience this for an amount of money they find trifling, it would catch on? I…

These services are very popular. Just look at DoorDash's explosive growth. It's not only out-of-touch VCs that like ordering food.
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