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Re: You do need a technical co-founder [video]

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I really wish I'd read this 25 years ago, but probably I wouldn't have believed any of it.

I don’t know, I’ve mostly followed this approach over my 20 year career, but it really depends on your surroundings, and honestly hasn’t led to great success. E.g. If you’re surrounded by yes men who will code whatever without question, product people greatly prefer that, and you end up sidelined. There’s also plenty of companies who don’t want engineers getting involved with decisions, and product and UX people work…

> E.g. If you’re surrounded by yes men who will code whatever without question, product people greatly prefer that, and you end up sidelined.

I'm amazed at how non-obvious this seems to most engineers and how often this angst gets repeated in online tech communities. I mean, when I was in academia there was a tension between publishing impactful results or cozying up with the right professors into the right conferences vs outputting meaningful work (pressures into p-hacking or having big names author suspicious results is par for the course.) In industry it's the tension between product folks and engineers. Have you ever talked to high-level finance folks who deal with the tension of product folks just wanting to do things and finance folks who remind them how money works?

It turns out that the hardest thing about getting things done with people is... dealing with people. I wish there was a way to remove this weird somewhat-ascetic blockage found in tech communities about this. Many of the more physical engineering occupations have to deal with this in the form of contractors and supervisors. Wait until you have to work on a government contract lol.

When I mentor junior engineers with these feelings, I like to use an adage: "Where there are people there are politics." Look at pretty much any prominent FOSS project and you'll see tons of it (by dint of transparency) and those folks generally focus on the project and not a product!

Re: You do need a technical co-founder [video]

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More people need to read https://grugbrain.dev/

LMAO that's hilarious, thanks for sharing > best weapon against complexity spirit demon is magic word: "no" > "no, grug not build that feature" > "no, grug not build that abstraction" > "no, grug not put water on body every day or drink less black think juice you stop repeat ask now" > note, this good engineering advice but bad career advice: "yes" is magic word for more shiney rock and put in charge of large tribe o…

> sad but true: learn "yes" then learn blame other grugs when fail, ideal career advice

Perfection

Re: You do need a technical co-founder [video]

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post #110

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> There are many terrible products in this world that were successful only because of good sales and marketing. And vice versa. Name one.

Religion.

Most religions spread virally, which means the marketers are the customers, which is usually a testament to the product/service being one that customers value. I say this as an atheist who's not a fan of religion, but people clearly get a lot out of it, or at least believe they do.

Re: You do need a technical co-founder [video]

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History has shown them to be right. There are many terrible products in this world that were successful only because of good sales and marketing. And vice versa.

> There are many terrible products in this world that were successful only because of good sales and marketing. And vice versa. Name one.

Windows

Re: You do need a technical co-founder [video]

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I'd argue the other side of the this: you don't need a non technical cofounder.

Disagree, and I say this as a technical founder with no cofounder. Once things start to take off, a majority of the things you deal with are non-technical. There’s so much that goes into building a company, and you really need someone who understands how businesses work and can run G2M. Sure, you can hire for it… but you’ll almost never find someone as invested in it as the founder, and it’s just as important as the…

you need a cofounder but there's no benefit in them being nontechnical

Re: You do need a technical co-founder [video]

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Most modern companies ARE tech / it companies but either don't know it or don't accept it. It's easy to run services on the internet when you don't know what you are doing wrong...

those companies will happily outsource the development of their core competitive advantages to another company who does appreciate its value; they will then sell it to their competitors

Re: You do need a technical co-founder [video]

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Or a technical audience is not the market

That doesn't seem relevant. A co-founder isn't part of your market or audience.

That's why the willingness of a software developer to drop everything to work with you might not necessarily signal anything wrong with your vision.

If you can't find a single software developer who believes in your plan for better APIs or project management tools or consumer internet apps, it's a pretty good heuristic that your vision or ability to sell it sucks, or that you add less value than the dozen other people that talked to them about chatbots for X this week. Any prospective technical co-founder has a huge amount of insight into those markets. On the other hand, unwillingness of software developers to believe that the dullest sounding CRUD app going will be very exciting to grey suited men controlling a little known niche (probably precisely because hardly anyone's writing software for it) doesn't actually mean there isn't a market there.

Re: You do need a technical co-founder [video]

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There have been multiple ads/posts recently from companies citing YC__ looking for a technical cofounder. So, is this post correlated?

Maybe. Those posts offer preposterously low equity, so I wonder whom it is supposed to attract. Suckers? Y Combinator sincerely wants people to succeed, I don’t think it’s reactionary or myopic like that. That said, to fill whatever hundreds of spots nowadays, they’ve exhausted Math 55, it graduates all of 12 people every year. They’re dipping into a far greater supply of nepo babies than ever before. Those jagoffs c…

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Re: You do need a technical co-founder [video]

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Even this article IMO subtly demonstrates the mindset that leads nontechnical founders to not think they need a technical cofounder, by phrasing the search for one as “recruiting” as if they were a subordinate or code monkey. It should be a partner relationship, not a subordinate relationship.

This mindset that technical cofounders are essentially “coders” (a term I hate) is very prevalent among inexperienced nontechnical founders. I know I’m preaching to the choir here but a lot of technical people have deep industry/business/product knowledge and have social skills. It is very frustrating when some Ivy League 25 year old PM/management consultant tries to pitch you on their vision while treating you like an idiot savant they can easily take advantage of.

Re: You do need a technical co-founder [video]

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History has shown them to be right. There are many terrible products in this world that were successful only because of good sales and marketing. And vice versa.

> There are many terrible products in this world that were successful only because of good sales and marketing. And vice versa. Name one.

Tesla cars
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