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Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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i'm still not clear what the accusation against Altman was... something about being cavalier about safety? if that was the claim and it has merit, i don't understand why it wasn't right to oust him, and why the employees are clamoring for him back

> why the employees are clamoring for him back

Because he's the one who's promising to make them all rich.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #35

i'm still not clear what the accusation against Altman was... something about being cavalier about safety? if that was the claim and it has merit, i don't understand why it wasn't right to oust him, and why the employees are clamoring for him back

> i'm still not clear

It isn't clear to anyone else either.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

#124
post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you comprehend that if it weren't for Microsoft OpenAI wouldn't exist, nor their products which changed the world? You don't make AI in a garage with a home PC and beer. You need gigantic amount of data, compute, and talented people to organize all this, which are exceptionally rare, and also they need to eat and feed their families too.

Oh yeah, I do comprehend how such major technologies of comparable importance are managed in NON-PROFIT organizations, Linux Foundation is for one. If you're happy to give up total control of tech to one corporation, while the CEO of the company, using the influence of the OpenAI, attracts resources for his personal hardware start-up[1], — our views on how a not-for-profit company should be run are starkly different.…

You can work on and compile Linux on a home PC, even more the case with their other projects. Try training GPT-4 on a home PC.

The problem is you have no idea what you're talking about. This is not about how important something is, but what resources it requires as a BASIS MINIMUM for it to happen at all. Linux is important, but it's not nearly as expensive to create or maintain. If it's so easy for a scrappy non-profit to attract billions to tinker with AI, where I say are those startups? Where? Q.E.D. The most open thing we have, Llama, came from giant Meta.

Regarding the hardware startup, neither me nor anyone else is defending Altman about that, nor it has any relation to Microsoft. If you want to argue the subject of this thread, you're welcome. If you just want to copy paste generic talking points with no relevance, I don't care.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

#125
post #12

Is anyone feeling more comfortable about relying on OpenAI as a customer after this announcement?

I wasn't comfortable before the announcement. You can't "rely" on it. You need a fallback - either another AI, or using it in such a way that it is progressive enhancement.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

#126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re concerned about the data security of OpenAI there’s always the OpenAI products served from Azure. At $DAYJOB we are working various AI features and it was a lot easier to get Azure through our InfoSec process than OpenAI.

Don’t those just go through OpenAI anyway?

As I understand it: No. Microsoft has licensed GPT and they use that to offer it as a service via Azure. As far as I’m aware this gets you the same guarantees around tenancy and control that you’d get from any other internal Azure service.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

#127
post #35

i'm still not clear what the accusation against Altman was... something about being cavalier about safety? if that was the claim and it has merit, i don't understand why it wasn't right to oust him, and why the employees are clamoring for him back

Well, their big mistake was being unwilling to be clear and explicit about this, but as I read it, the board's problem with him was that he wasn't actually acting as the executive of the non-profit that he was meant to be the executive of, but rather was acting entirely in the interests of a for-profit subsidiary of it (and in his own interests), which were in conflict with the non-profit's charter.

I think where they really screwed up was in being unwilling or unable to argue this case.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #50

Not to criticize Sam, but I think people don't realize that it was Greg who was the visionary behind OpenAI. Read his blog. Greg happens to be a chill, low-drama person and surely he recruited Sam because he knew he is a great communicator and exec, but it's a bit sad to see him successfully staying out of the limelight when I think he's actually the one with the rarest form of genius and grit on the team.

Who said he wants the limelight?
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