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Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for Geert Wilders
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What are the British population's attitude towards this post-Brexit reality now? Has anyone reflected on it?
Generally speaking, bad. Polls indicate that favorability for Brexit is probably around 35% or lower. It's been getting worse because a lot of the current crisis's the UK faces are the direct result of Brexit. Because a lot of things they took for granted in regards to stuff like the food chain or energy negotiations is something that directly impacts an individual's day to day life.
> food chain or energy negotiations
The UK along with Norway export gas to EU during summer which is stored for use in winter. UK does not have expensive gas/electricity because of Brexit, it is because of Ukraine war. The rest of EU is just as bad or worse when it comes to energy prices. The economy in Germany is worse than UK this year. The latest data regarding budget deficit from France is just as bad as UK.
Not sure what food chain issues, the UK needs cheap labour to work the fields, UK people won't accept that work, so cheap labour is brought over from Asia for seasonal work. The new young generation Polish/Eastern Europe people are no longer are interested in such work either.
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I know quite well what kind of people are "noticing".
It's not immigrants that I'm afraid of where I live. They are typically hard working people, doing all sorts of jobs. From food-delivery to software engineering.
It's the people "noticing" bullshit that I am really wary of.
Re: Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for Geert Wilders
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> It seems like there should be an opportunity to replace a lot of these with something like the 4-5 story buildings you see in Paris, for instance You know what "replace a lot of" means right? Concretely, you are saying that people should leave their homes to make more place for new people..I can imagine why people won't like it. > I'm originally American and if there were large groups of people moving here from Tex…
Every city has replaced old housing with new over time. Should there still be straw huts on the Seine? Texas values libertarianism, individualism, the right to bear arms, etc which might be fine but seems out of place here.
> Every city has replaced old housing with new over time. Should there still be straw huts on the Seine?
Where? I remember staying in a 19 century house in Utrecht, which still there... I lived in Germany until some years ago in a 1910 building, which I don't think they will rebuild it that early. I think you came to Europe with a different expectation maybe?
Re: Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for Geert Wilders
#125Weird to read a post here from a foreign newspaper trying to describe what happened in my own country. But largely it's true, many people are unhappy with the amount of migration, the housing crisis, the rising cost of living and also what they feel is too much environmentalism. They feel that the parties that were in the government during the last 10 years did not take their concerns seriously or even made them wors…
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> The "regulation that comes from the EU" was redacted and implemented by the Dutch government
This is partially true. The directive of the regulation came from the EU, the concrete implementation from NL. And at that point it was not clear to anybody that nitrogen deposit restriction would be such an important part of it. But, in that way, the Dutch are responsible for the problems that this regulation currently causes. However, if it would have been purely a Dutch regulation, the Dutch could simply amend it or drop it altogether. Since the regulation comes from the EU, this is not an option.
> ... the nitrogen limitation was introduced in the Dutch implementation of the directive and it's not present in the regulation of most of the other countries.
The nitrogen limitation was not specifically mentioned in the initial Dutch implementation, nor was it in the EU directive. It followed from the principle in the EU directive; that nature in the Natura 2000 area's is not allowed to deteriorate. The reason it is on the Dutch agenda at all, is that Dutch environmental organisations realized that nitrogen was a threat and even took the Dutch government to court to act on it.
> How the housing crisis relates (in a tiny part), with this specific environmental regulation ...
When the Dutch government lost the case about handling nitrogen in 2019, 18000 building projects had to be halted. That's no tiny part.
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#126Weird to read a post here from a foreign newspaper trying to describe what happened in my own country. But largely it's true, many people are unhappy with the amount of migration, the housing crisis, the rising cost of living and also what they feel is too much environmentalism. They feel that the parties that were in the government during the last 10 years did not take their concerns seriously or even made them wors…
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Around 20 million people are feed by their agriculture. I think it's fair that a country and not EU decides if they want to have local agriculture or not.
Re: Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for Geert Wilders
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> Can't you just leave that to the countries themselves? No. A big point in favor of the EU is that countries do not negotiate individually but as a single block. This is an advantage because it gives them more power and the ability of getting better deals (in aggregate). Which is exactly the sort of "bullying" that you are complaining about: by deciding to go alone, the UK is weaker and gets worse deals. In fact, a…
Call me naïve, but what's the point of 'more power'? And 'better deals'? Didn't we have enough food on the table before the EU? Sure, striving for better is fine, but enough is enough right? And if you've build an economy that's favorable for everyone (as the Dutch have. Especially knowledge. See ASML) you don't need to convince other countries to do business with you. I just don't see the added value of the EU. What…
> what's the point of 'more power'?
To defend (y)our interests against other economic blocks that are more powerful and not necessarily nice to you. With ASML you are well covered for now, but China is catching up. And how can 18 million people compete against 1.4 billion? The Dutch GDP is just a bit higher than Beijing'!
I'm not gonna defend every EU policy and I am not arguing that the current state of the EU is satisfactory. All I am saying is that European countries are better off together; there is a reason why "divide and conquer" is a thing.
Re: Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for Geert Wilders
#128Weird to read a post here from a foreign newspaper trying to describe what happened in my own country. But largely it's true, many people are unhappy with the amount of migration, the housing crisis, the rising cost of living and also what they feel is too much environmentalism. They feel that the parties that were in the government during the last 10 years did not take their concerns seriously or even made them wors…
> Apart from the economic problems that this might cause, it is simply not possible due to EU legislation. It is possible. Don't give them money and only provide basic shelter. Do you wonder why the migrants don't stay in Eastern Europe? Because here we offer accomodation in tents. There isn't enough social housing for citizens (largely Roma), let alone migrants. We have friends and neighbours from Germany who want r…
> It is possible. Don't give them money and only provide basic shelter
In the EU you would have to reduce your welfare state to that level for your own citizens as well. The ECJ says[0]:
> It follows that the level of social security benefits paid to refugees by the Member State which granted that status, whether temporary or permanent, must be the same as that offered to nationals of that Member State
[0] https://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&do...
Re: Tax, healthcare, immigration: why Dutch people voted for Geert Wilders
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Every city has replaced old housing with new over time. Should there still be straw huts on the Seine? Texas values libertarianism, individualism, the right to bear arms, etc which might be fine but seems out of place here.
> Every city has replaced old housing with new over time. Should there still be straw huts on the Seine? Where? I remember staying in a 19 century house in Utrecht, which still there... I lived in Germany until some years ago in a 1910 building, which I don't think they will rebuild it that early. I think you came to Europe with a different expectation maybe?
Certainly, but those buildings are not very old.
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Ironically we're only here because we couldn't find a place in Utrecht.
I wonder if the people of Hilverrrsum/'t Gooi do or will soon have qualms about the riff-raff/nonhereditarily landed folks moving to their neighborhoods after being priced out of the major Randstad cities
Well, if it helps, my landlords moved to the US so it's a fair trade I suppose.
Also, it's Hilversum, not Naarden. I should be OK.