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Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by lolc »

autoexec wrote: post #95
Beijinger wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

99% of what? of ads not served? You are mixing ads and tracking and in the end, you can be tracked because you are still unique: With my heavily, via plug-ins, privacy focused firefox I get 99%. With https://www.amiunique.org/fingerprint I get: Yes! You are unique among the 2206539 fingerprints in our entire dataset. PS: with my vanilla Chrome - I use several browsers, for banking and buying plane tickets I always re…

> in the end, you can be tracked because you are still unique Unique isn't a bad thing really. The trick is to regularly be unique in a different way. I'd rather each tab have a unique fingerprint than simply trust that there's nothing about my browser/device that could identify me. There is an ever growing list of data points your browser makes available and a lot of time, money, and research that goes into finding…

> Unique isn't a bad thing really. The trick is to regularly be unique in a different way.

This perspective is new to me, and very interesting. If it's intractable to know which parts of the finger could change, the fingerprinting becomes useless.

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Post by stupendousyappi »

__alexs wrote: post #90

As a paying Kagi user, please don't waste my money on this when Firefox already exists.

This is how I feel about Vlad's statement on their Discord that he wants to provide email services. That strikes me as a big project in terms of both development and operations, somewhat contrary to their privacy focus, and not something that their users are asking for (on Discord, I'd say that most commenters said they were unlikely to use it any time soon, switching would be too much of a hassle). And while I subscribe to Kagi and love the search product, they're still a tiny company with no long term track record, and far from what I would feel comfortable trusting with my email, which IMO is much more sensitive than my search history. Meanwhile, although Kagi Search already reliably beats Google IMO, there's still a ton of stuff they could do to improve their main product.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by mantra2 »

d1sxeyes wrote: post #58
mantra2 wrote: post #7

How is it actually working now? The last time I tried it I felt it was pretty buggy -- but in an ideal world I'd love to switch.

Some bugs still. Mostly if I run into a bug, and I try to open the same site in Safari, I experience the same bug. Occasionally it'll do something stupid and hang completely, but I'd say maybe that happens once or twice a week, not enough to stop me using it (and I live in it most of the day).

Interesting. I’m thinking of giving it another shot. In theory it sounds like the perfect browser for me. The only extension I use is uBlock and BitWarden so I don’t really care much for widespread support of extensions and it sounds like that’s the last really buggy part.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by Closi »

ploum wrote: post #98
__alexs wrote: post #90

As a paying Kagi user, please don't waste my money on this when Firefox already exists.

I’m also a paying user (and a fan) of Kagi. I’m still confused by the strategy. If you are not Google and trying to have an hegemony on the web, there’s no obvious link between a browser and a search engine. I don’t see the point from a business perspective. It sends a strange signal to users "Hey, by the way, we are reinventing the wheel and making also a browser that works only on some operating systems". It’s a bi…

100%! There is more than enough to work on in the search engine space without getting distracted by other red oceans.

Is it just that the search engine doesn't make enough space or they are finding it isn't sticky enough, so need to add more services to justify the price? (e.g. email...)

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Post by gbear605 »

al_borland wrote: post #119
freediver wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never seen that on a Mac though.

They are more rare one current versions of macOS. I’ve been using Mac’s for about 20 years and got them a lot a lot in the early days.

They used to happen all the time with Mac OS 9 and earlier, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen them with OSX/macOS.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by riddley »

prmoustache wrote: post #86
pockmockchock wrote: post #45

Open Source would be MUCH better, but I'm seeing you're working on it, will wait till then I guess.

I never understood the delays before open sourcing a product. Unless they are using third party proprietary code, what do they have to work on?

I would guess security passes that they should be doing anyway. If they open source and there are enough sec issues it might kill good will.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by pantulis »

cypressious wrote: post #116
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Meet works better with Chrome, so I used to have chrome for Meet only, and Firefox for everything else.

It has become better in the last year or so. I used to have the same setup but currently Meet on FF works without issues for me.

Yes, it's better, but you cannot share a browser tab, only a window or the full desktop.

Edit to add that the suggestion of using Orion for everyday browsing and FF or Chrome/EDge for Google Meet is totally reasonable, but somehow I find quite a lot of friction doing that.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by whalesalad »

This is interesting... I used to daily drive Safari but the kagi extension somehow bricked the entire Safari. I've tried all the tricks to clear out ~/Library folders but it is still broken.

Back on Firefox now... but this could be worth a spin.

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