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Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Post by linhvn »

magnio wrote: post #89
mistrial9 wrote: post #57

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have you tried to learn Vietnamese !? it is really different.. also, someone told me that in South East Asia, like many places, there is a lot of difference between educated people there and uneducated people there.. an illiterate in their own language, has to learn English or else be "rude" ?

> someone told me that in South East Asia, like many places, there is a lot of difference between educated people there and uneducated people there Such as their education level? Is that specific to South East Asia somehow? The vast majority of Vietnamese American came to the US not really as immigrants seeking newfound opportunities, but as refugees who have lost their home. I imagine such a sudden uprooting has mad…

That is true for the older generation (immigrating to US pre 1990-ish). The newer generation immigrating to US has a very different mindset now, and they embrace American values as much as the native born here.

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Post by thegrim33 »

cmehdy wrote: post #82
bugglebeetle wrote: post #32

Whenever I see Europeans railing about the destruction of their cultures by small number of immigrants, I want to point to California and be like “you’re doing it wrong.” Pretty much within one generation, everyone here is bilingual, fully integrated, we all enjoy each others company, culture and food etc.

I think most Europeans agree we're doing it wrong, but we disagree as to where the solutions are. Generally left leaning parties will want to create support for immigrants through money, education, and some nebulous flexibility with repression. Right leaning parties will want strict adherence to the ideals of the Republic, more enforcement/repression when any transgression is observed, and some nebulous perfected cri…

How many European countries can you list that have stricter immigration policies today than 20 or 30 or 50 years ago? I can't list a single one. How do you square this with your claim that right leaning ideology is "taking hold"? If anything the actual data points to massively loosened immigration laws and massively loosened penalties for choosing to evade immigration laws.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Post by iaseiadit »

sin7 wrote: post #103
iaseiadit wrote: post #67

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California went from around 85% white European to 35% in roughly a generation (from 1960s to today). Statewide, only 20% of California students are white so their numbers will continue to decline for the foreseeable future. The US is a melting pot culture and people accept these changes, but there’s no reason that European cultures need to replicate this in their own countries.

Lies, damn lies and then this. 85% counts Hispanic people as white. The 35% does not. Ain't no way this is an innocent mistake. Hispanic people have always been a large portion of California.

No, both numbers refer to non-Hispanic whites.

The Hispanic population of California was 13.7% in 1970. 19% in 1980, 39% in 2020:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanics_and_Latinos_in_Cal...

And over 55% of students in CA public schools today:

https://dq.cde.ca.gov/dataquest/dqcensus/enrethlevels.aspx?a...

The shift in demographics wasn't driven entirely by the increase in the Hispanic population, and in fact I didn’t mention Hispanic population at all. It also was in part driven by immigration from Asian countries.

Not sure why you’re calling me a liar.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

sin7 wrote: post #103
iaseiadit wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California went from around 85% white European to 35% in roughly a generation (from 1960s to today). Statewide, only 20% of California students are white so their numbers will continue to decline for the foreseeable future. The US is a melting pot culture and people accept these changes, but there’s no reason that European cultures need to replicate this in their own countries.

Lies, damn lies and then this. 85% counts Hispanic people as white. The 35% does not. Ain't no way this is an innocent mistake. Hispanic people have always been a large portion of California.

Quite a lot of Hispanic people who might have previously been counted as white no longer identify that way (https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-09-09/south-los-a...).

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Post by raldi »

netbioserror wrote: post #11
plaguna wrote: post #2

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Can you explain exactly what you’re “all for”? Because of the handful of interpretations of your post, several are downright psychotic.

Your comment would've been more HNey without the last sentence.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Post by 29athrowaway »

justrealist wrote: post #77
29athrowaway wrote: post #61

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Not accurate. What is known as the American state of California was part of the state of Alta California in Mexico, which was annexed by the US during the Mexican American war. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alta_California Years later, the Mexicans as well as their descendants, who were Americans by Jus soli (birthright citizenship) were ethnically cleansed during the Mexican Repatriation, where they were kidnapped…

No, those were more recent immigrants. Read your own link. I am talking about at time of annexation, 1847.

Mestizos have a stronger connection to the land than European settlers.

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

boringuser2 wrote: post #75
dopeboy wrote: post #22

I grew up in one of these households. My grandmother didn’t speak English so my dad mandated Hindi be spoken in the household. I think it was a net positive in my life. I pick up phrases and sounds from new languages pretty easily. I didn’t do great in my English classes in HS but am a pretty good writer now. From an assimilation pov, I think it’s pretty important to grow up speaking whatever language you do alongsid…

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English is a foreign language to the Americas; would you say that it’s a net bad to have it be spoken here (and be an official language of the country?)

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Post by iaseiadit »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #125
sin7 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lies, damn lies and then this. 85% counts Hispanic people as white. The 35% does not. Ain't no way this is an innocent mistake. Hispanic people have always been a large portion of California.

Quite a lot of Hispanic people who might have previously been counted as white no longer identify that way ( https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-09-09/south-los-a... ).

The article you linked to is about people who previously identified as “white Hispanic” now identifying as “other Hispanic.”

But the numbers I provided are specifically for non-Hispanic whites, who never identified as Hispanic. The article is irrelevant to that demographic shift.

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