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Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Microsoft is the winner here. They will probably use Sam/Greg's technical know how to reproduce GPT4 internally, and also direct future research based on current OpenAI approaches which they are certainly aware of. This also shields Microsoft from being dependent on an external entity that they cannot control.

Anyways, Satya played very smart with the hands he was dealt, got what he needed.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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And for the OpenAI employees, they can just switch the badge in a blink second, it almost feel like a no-brainer to many. I think Sam just took the easier route to rebuild OpenAI within MSFT. Now the trouble comes to the SV VCs they now will be furious.

And then they get to say one of the most depressing sentences in an engineer's lexicon: "It's almost like we're a startup within a big company!"

I actually don't think OpenAI being a startup is beneficial for them at this moment.

OpenAI already has a very clear business model, that is selling completion/chat/agent API based on their model. What they need is to productize it.

Their roadmap is GPT4/5/6/7

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Have to give it to Satya. There's a thin possibility that Microsoft would have to write-off its whole $10B (or more?) investment in OpenAI, but that isn't Satya's focus. The focus is on what he can do next. Maybe, recruit the most formidable AI team in the world, removed from the shackles of an awkward non-profit owning a for-profit company? Give enough (cash) incentives and most of OpenAI employees would have no qua…

10 billion was potential investment. They transfer that in tranches, so lot of it is still in MS bank. They already have access to GPT3/4/turbo + Dalle 2/3. Plus with its hordes of lawyers, it will be an uphill battle for OpenAI to make MS lose.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but for me it is us framed as if they won't be working on GPT-based products, but on research. The whole thing reads like this to me: "In hindsight, we should've done more due diligence before developing a hard dependency on an organization and its product. We are aware that this was a mistake. To combat this, we will do damage control and continue to work with OpenAI, while develo…

How do you conduct research with sales people? even if they manage to bring in researchers from OpenAI, the only gain here is microsoft getting some of the researchers behind the products and/or product developers.

Who are these "sales people" you're referring to? Surely not Greg Brockman, one of the most talented engineers in the world.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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> It sounds very out of line of what you'd expect. Except if Sam and Greg have some anti-compete clauses. If they join MS, they have a nice 10 billion USD leverage against any lawsuites.

In California the anti-compete clauses are not enforceable, afaik

I guess that’s more applicable to ordinary employees. Using trade secrets obtained from your previous employer would still be problematic

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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This actually seems like a decent compromise. Sam and Greg can retain velocity on the product side without having to spin up a whole new operation in direct competition with their old levers of power, and Ilya + co can remain in possession of the keys to the kingdom.

Except they only had AI model velocity and not product velocity. The user-side implementation of chatGPT is actually quite below what would be expected based on their AI superiority. So the parts that Sam & Greg should be responsible for are actually not great.

If I recall correctly, Mira Murati was actually the person responsible for productizing GPT into a Chatbot. Prior to that, OpenAI's plan was just to build models and sell API access until they reach AGI.

I know there's a lot of talk about Ilya, but if Sam poaches Mira (which seems likely at this point), I think OpenAI will struggle to build things people actually want, and will go back to being an R&D lab.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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This is sorta brilliant. Microsoft has access to almost everything OpenAI does. And now Altman and Brockman will have that access too. Meanwhile, I imagine their tenure at MSFT will be short-lived, because hot-shot startup folks don’t really want to work there. They can stabilize, use OpenAI’s data and models for free, use Microsoft’s GPUs at cost, and start a new company shortly, of which Microsoft will own some lar…

Satya will probably allow them to run a startup under the MS umbrella without interference and with full MS backing.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Anyone else find it strange that startup founders of the magnitude of Sam & Greg would join a gigantic corporation as employees? It sounds very out of line of what you'd expect.

Nope. They're following the path to power, money, and maybe continued fame. That's all.

I'll bet Microsoft offered him a very sweet deal, which for Sam means lots of autonomy.

Microsoft is happy. They get to wrap this movie before the markets open.

Edit: I also agree with bayindirh below. These things can both be true.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Sam joining MS was actually one of the theories I read in the initial, or one of the first, threads about his ouster. 10 billion dollar seems like a pretty steep recruiting cost, but MS knows what they are doing, right? Right?

What Sam is going to bring to MS? Recruits? MS already has all the money and infra they need.

And still they are hiring him. Different take: You are a CEO who just spend 10 billion to bevome a minority shareholder in the latest, hotest tech start up the world has ever seen. This start-up is controlled by a non-profit so. And then this non-profit kicks out the poster child of the whole industry, and you cannot do a thing about it. Well, you have to answer to a board as well. And what do you think that board will ask you about this whole affaire?
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