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Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by quickthrower2 »

mebutnotme wrote: post #73
quickthrower2 wrote: post #27

Makes me wonder whether to keep building upon OpenAI? Given that they have an API and it takes effort to build on that vs. something else. I am small fry but maybe other people are wondering the same? Can they give reassurances about their products going into the future?

I’d recommend trying to build out your systems to work across LLMs where you can. Create an interface layer and for now maybe use OpenAI and Vertex as a couple of options. Vertex is handy as while not always as good you may find it works well for some tasks and it can be a lot cheaper for those. If you build out this way then when the next greatest LLM comes out you can plug that into your interface and switch the ta…

The problem is swapping LLMs can require rework of all your prompts, and you may be relying on specific features of OpenAI. If you don't then you are at a disadvantage or at least slowing down your work.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by 9dev »

Tohhou wrote: post #58
lazystar wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI art is already boring. its all a fad, eventually the cracks start to show and you can't unsee those cracks. very similar to bitcoin. tbh.

You're one of the ones who used to call bitcoin "buttcoin" didn't you? Very sure of yourself, very wrong.

Oh, you mean because Bitcoin didn’t turn out as a stupidly-high risk speculation object without any value rooted in reality, wasting a sizeable portion of the power production of a world threatened by the climate crisis, swinging between orders of magnitude in valuation on Elon‘s whims? The Bitcoin that is irrelevant everywhere else but the crypto bubble itself?

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by drawfloat »

waihtis wrote: post #116
drawfloat wrote: post #89

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Well, shit, maybe Altman shouldn't have stoked that by signing letters how about AI was an extinction risk then.

altman is a secret accelerationist and was just playing a ruse

That’s convenient.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by dewey »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #81
karmasimida wrote: post #64

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I am at lost. Not fear, just lost. Don't know what to do. Is my investment into their API still worth it? It feels very unstable at this moment.

Microsoft owns it. I honestly can not imagine trying to build a business on an API owned by Microsoft of all companies.

What makes you say that?

Microsoft seems like one of the more reliable partners to build on compared to Google etc. just for the simple reason that their customers are large businesses and not breaking things for them is in their blood. Just like Windows backwards compatibility.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by pjmlp »

mebutnotme wrote: post #73
quickthrower2 wrote: post #27

Makes me wonder whether to keep building upon OpenAI? Given that they have an API and it takes effort to build on that vs. something else. I am small fry but maybe other people are wondering the same? Can they give reassurances about their products going into the future?

I’d recommend trying to build out your systems to work across LLMs where you can. Create an interface layer and for now maybe use OpenAI and Vertex as a couple of options. Vertex is handy as while not always as good you may find it works well for some tasks and it can be a lot cheaper for those. If you build out this way then when the next greatest LLM comes out you can plug that into your interface and switch the ta…

Definitely, just like with games development, the key is to master how things work, not specific APIs.

AI tools will need a similar plugin like approach.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by jay_kyburz »

hilux wrote: post #48
dschuetz wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree AI is useful, but not to that extent to what it is valued on the market. I do not think that AI companies can deliver as much as they promise. With the driving core at OpenAI basically gone, I bet they will soon implode under the weight of their promises. Which means, investors will start pulling out their stakes. boom

Speaking for my own n of 1, ChatGPT Pro has almost entirely (>90%) replaced the Google search engine in my daily life. The results from ChatGPT are just so much better and faster. That's got to be worth something, since Alphabet is a $1.7T company mostly on the strength of ads associated with Google search.

For the past week or so I have been typing my search queries into Open AI, Bard and Duck Duck Go to compare them.

I haven't finished making up my mind, the the AI's are doing OK. I have only been asking it for code snippets that are easily verifiable.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by bongobingo1 »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #121
mebutnotme wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d recommend trying to build out your systems to work across LLMs where you can. Create an interface layer and for now maybe use OpenAI and Vertex as a couple of options. Vertex is handy as while not always as good you may find it works well for some tasks and it can be a lot cheaper for those. If you build out this way then when the next greatest LLM comes out you can plug that into your interface and switch the ta…

The problem is swapping LLMs can require rework of all your prompts, and you may be relying on specific features of OpenAI. If you don't then you are at a disadvantage or at least slowing down your work.

Just ask the LLM to rewrite your prompts for the new model.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by JCharante »

ssnistfajen wrote: post #43
dschuetz wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree AI is useful, but not to that extent to what it is valued on the market. I do not think that AI companies can deliver as much as they promise. With the driving core at OpenAI basically gone, I bet they will soon implode under the weight of their promises. Which means, investors will start pulling out their stakes. boom

Even if OpenAI implodes it will hardly impact other LLM-focused startups. In fact it would probably be a boon for them as people search for GPT alternatives. Sam & Greg could start a new AI company by Monday and instantly achieve unicorn valuation. Hardly a burst.

Honestly this is exciting. Are they going to be the first company to achieve a $1 Billion evaluation within 3 days? Would they file the incorporation papers on Monday meaning they get that valuation within 24 hours?

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by reissbaker »

karmasimida wrote: post #92
ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #81

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Microsoft owns it. I honestly can not imagine trying to build a business on an API owned by Microsoft of all companies.

Would like to elaborate a bit? Though my investment will be still tiny at the moment, but not other multi-modal model on the market right is as good.

I actually wouldn't be worried in the short term for exactly this reason. Microsoft has legal access to GPT-4 and is allowed to host and serve it via Azure. If OpenAI somehow tanks its API in the near term, MS is sitting on a gold mine and will make use of that by continuing to serve it. In the long term I am worried, but less worried if Sam and Greg form a competing co to continue to build.
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