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Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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Greg Brockman has also left: https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725667410387378559

What's with the lowercase? I think it's cute if someone is being deliberately low-effort, or trying to present that way, but IMO it's cringe to use it for consequential official statements like this.

its the future

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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You have it backwards, the not for profit entity owns the for profit entity. From Wikipedia: > OpenAI is an American artificial intelligence (AI) organization consisting of the non-profit OpenAI, Inc.[4] registered in Delaware and its for-profit subsidiary corporation OpenAI Global, LLC.[5] IKEA [0] and Rolex [1] are structured in a similar manner, although different since they’re not US based. [0] https://en.m.wikip…

What’s the point of the subsidiary? Nonprofits can already raise funds by e.g. selling T-Shirts, baked goods, ai services, etc…

It is hard to attract multi-billion dollar investments and attract elite AI talent when competing with for-profits. This was the stated reason and makes a lot of sense. The comp packages for elite AI talent is now claimed to be in the range of $10M.

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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My guess is Sam’s New AI venture Humane has either taken key tech from OpenAI? Key talent or in some other way trod on something internal. One thing to consider is that by making AI wearable it is a step toward embodiment- which has always been a problem for AI learning as it does not interact with the real world. Getting live video, audio and sensor data from humans moving through space doing things in context will be amazing data to train the next bump in AI toward AGI.

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have it backwards, the not for profit entity owns the for profit entity. From Wikipedia: > OpenAI is an American artificial intelligence (AI) organization consisting of the non-profit OpenAI, Inc.[4] registered in Delaware and its for-profit subsidiary corporation OpenAI Global, LLC.[5] IKEA [0] and Rolex [1] are structured in a similar manner, although different since they’re not US based. [0] https://en.m.wikip…

What’s the point of the subsidiary? Nonprofits can already raise funds by e.g. selling T-Shirts, baked goods, ai services, etc…

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Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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Wow, no insincere "spending more time with my family" or "heartfelt thanks to him for his contributions" or something? It's both refreshing and very surprising at the same time. I guess it's either a really bad table flip or there will be more to hear soon.

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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There are now 4 people left in the OpenAI non-profit board, after the ouster of both Sam and Greg today. 3 of the 4 remaining are virtual unknowns, and they control the fate of OpenAI, both the non-profit and the for-profit. Insane.

I would say we're likely to see some governance and board composition changes made soon. Honestly, I would expect more from Microsoft's attorneys, whether this was overlooked or allowed. Maybe OAI had superior leverage and MS was desperate to get in to AI.

Maybe Microsoft have everything they need to run their own copy of ChatGPT so they consider the risks mitigated?

I guess they can't really migrate the users though. Maybe they will push more aggressively for people to use bing going forward.

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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I wonder if this is one of those pivotal moments in history where OpenAI collapses or fades and Google or someone else dominates the future of AI, and we’re all left wondering “what if”.

I don't know if this is true at all but I read another comment as to mean that Microsoft basically has legal rights to fork ChatGPT. In that case if OpenAI dies maybe they'll just be relieved that the power dynamics got simpler.

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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I understood it as there are additional and ongoing incidents and possible board was given hard evidence of such.

Are you willing to be more specific, or link to such a discussion?

Not really. It’s all so torrid. More interesting would be anything that points to a different reason or evidence the action was related to professional misconduct not personal. The problem is all the suggestions so far are too dissimilar from when LLMs “hallucinate”

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have it backwards, the not for profit entity owns the for profit entity. From Wikipedia: > OpenAI is an American artificial intelligence (AI) organization consisting of the non-profit OpenAI, Inc.[4] registered in Delaware and its for-profit subsidiary corporation OpenAI Global, LLC.[5] IKEA [0] and Rolex [1] are structured in a similar manner, although different since they’re not US based. [0] https://en.m.wikip…

Sounds perverse somehow.

It's literally the exact corporate structure of Mozilla.
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