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Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

#121
I noticed this when the subtitling plugin for VLC stopped working last month. OpenSubtitles was a nice to resource have, but they've been a bad actor for a long time, adding paid advertisements to other people's freely contributed work. The full heel-turn was probably inevitable.

On the other hand, who is going to tell people about putting a stop to Clearway Law now?

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

#122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did anybody (outside of the tech/HN open-source-die-hard bubble) actually leave Reddit? From what I saw, there were protests which most Redit users barely noticed (the front-page just served content from the subreddits that didn't go private), and then there was nothing. The long-term impact seems to be small to nonexistent. Maybe if the users organized better and started posting "brand unsafe" content everywhere ins…

Hard to say without Reddit showing their traffic cards, just anecdotal evidence. Admittedly, if you're consuming big subs similar to what you'd consume on Tiktok (r/funny, r/worldnews, etc), likely little impact to traffic. I know the mods from some of the subs I follow fled (admittedly smaller readership, r/econmonitor and r/machinelearning for example). Reddit will have to show their hand when they attempt to IPO,…

I'm addicted to the logged-out Reddit front page and I can tell you that besides a few subreddits committing suicide and being immediately replaced by similarly named subreddits that didn't care about the boycott, and a few days where more interesting content was getting surfaced when some big subs went dark, there has been absolutely zero noticeable effect on the average user experience.

I would be -shocked- if Reddit had data showing that the protest was more than a fart in the wind

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

#123

I predicted this moment when they switched to opensubtitles.com domain. Realistically though, their importance has diminished noticeably with tools like Whisper.

Subtitles aren't the same as transcriptions. Transcriptions are literal, subtitles are not. Subtitles have many accessibility rules, like how many words are allowed, how much time should be between successive lines, timestamps should match exactly when the characters starts speaking, etc.

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

#124
post #102

It was pretty obvious where this was going when they started putting ads in the subtitles a few years ago.

When I've encountered this, I always assumed it was the subtitle author because it was only on occasion. Less compelling, the sites advertised didn't feel like traditional products/service -- more like linking back to something related to the author.

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

#125
Notably, Plex sources its subtitles from OpenSubtitles when the media does not contain them. I wonder what Plex will do in this situation. I don't know the exact mechanism: does Plex download on our behalf, or does the client make the download themselves? Either way, there are downsides for someone now.

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

#126
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way? The subs are the script (often translated) + timestamps. It’s the definition of a derivative work. The subs wouldn’t exist without the original work. Edit: Yes, it’s a subset of the script and not thee script itself, and being a pedant about that isn’t a useful point. It’s just pedantic.

But reading the script to a Simpsons episode doesn't replace actually watching the Simpsons episode. Similarly, I might pay for a subscription to a website which has a detailed review of that episode along with screenshots. Neither replace watching it, not even close. I do think that subs are a little bit more legally ambiguous than a review but I think you could make a reasonable argument that they're a fair use und…

The script has its own separate copyright distinct from the full episode just like how lyrics and musical compositions have separate copyrights from a specific recording of a song.

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

#127

Nice, so now we have OpenAI and OpenSubtitles that has 'Open' in their name and not open :)

A classic tactic used by conmen. Make the victim trust you, then snatch their belongings. Easier than open confrontation.

Or, people realising that their envisaged way of working is no longer or was never practical or self-sustaining. As much as you might love doing something for the sake of it, or for a community, at some point there are bills to pay. OpenSubtitles is something someone has to pay for, at some point.

Especially with such cases, assuming malice is weird. The site wasn't acquired by some shady private capital or whatever entity jacking up prices for profit (like Broadcom with VMware), it's the same people(person?).

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

#128
post #31

Am I wrong that a script is copyrighted and thus charging for it, something they have no right to distribute, opens them to all sorts of potential legal action? It’s a lot easier to look the other way when it’s free. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/04/fan-made-subtitl... (2017)

It's definitely a tricky fair use case, and obviously will depend on each country. IANAL but I'd say the main argument for it being free use is that subtitles don't take away from movie/TV sales. There's no harm. To the contrary -- fan-made subtitles in languages the studio didn't produce might generate purchases where there were none before. While the main argument against it is that it's part of and enables broader…

I mean, lets not pretend that it's primary use case isn't to provide subtitles for pirated content.

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

#129

> Your consumer can query the API on its own, and download 5 subtitles per IP's per 24 hours, but a user must be authenticated to download more. Users will then be able to download as many subtitles as their ranks allows, from 10 as simple signed up user, to 1000 for VIP user. > If you wish to offer subtitles without prompting for an opensubtitles account, please contact us and tell us about your project... For an ea…

> It's a question I've never considered before -- should "open" mean "you can API-download everything all the time anonymously no limits", or "you're free to API-download a reasonable amount for consumer purposes with an account, and the more you upload the more you can download"?

Neither, Open should mean that the resources are publicly licensed such that they can be freely rehosted or redistributed. It should mean that the resources are owned by the community rather than the website operator, and that the website should be selling coordination, not access.

Whether or not there's an API limit is irrelevant provided that:

A) the website does not claim ownership over resources it hosts

B) the website is not going to go after people hosting or distributing those resources outside of the site -- ie, users have explicit permission to distribute any and all of the subtitle content on the site

C) there is a way to get the resources off of the site, ie it's not impossible for someone to set up a rehost.

If OpenSubtitles still allows a bulk download or has a mirror, then honestly I don't see a problem with them making this change -- I'm not a fan of it, but if the subtitles are still downloadable in bulk and if OpenSubtitles isn't claiming ownership and would have no issue with someone setting up a separate service or rehosting those subtitles and if (to the degree they can be licensed openly, given that they're subtitles of copyrighted films) they are licensed openly using an OSI-compatible or comparable license in the case of the GPL, then I don't have a problem with them using the word "Open" and I think it still applies.

Having said that, I can't immediately find any information on their website about what copyrights they do or don't try to claim, and it's not clear to me how I would go about building a full dump of the content (a sibling mentions a dump but that it doesn't contain the full subtitles). But that would be my bigger beef. I'm less concerned about whether the website is Open and I'm more concerned about whether the subtitles are Open (again, as open as movie subtitles can be).

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did anybody (outside of the tech/HN open-source-die-hard bubble) actually leave Reddit? From what I saw, there were protests which most Redit users barely noticed (the front-page just served content from the subreddits that didn't go private), and then there was nothing. The long-term impact seems to be small to nonexistent. Maybe if the users organized better and started posting "brand unsafe" content everywhere ins…

For my feed, a ton of the NSFW subreddits went away, became so low quality that following them was pointless as the mods left or engagement dropped to ridiculous levels, even the OG big tankers. r/gonewild for example has nominal 4.6 million subscribers - but among the default "hot" feed on the first page there's just four posts with > 500 karma, and on the 2nd page there's tons of posts with 80-120 karma. That's ins…

The fact that a banner with the slogan "from the river to the sea" is banned in Germany speaks to the massive self-defeating overreaction by some parts of the West. This sort of thing is only promoting a spiral into a wider war.

It should also be noted that it's not a "Hamas slogan" but has a much wider use:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea

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