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Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by black_13 »

cycomanic wrote: post #56
jjkeddo199 wrote: post #33

Seeing drone dropped grenades everywhere in Ukraine has made me worried about normalized "drone drop murders" spreading to the rest of the world. With widely available addresses gang violence, political killings, and even online flamewar escalations will become much much uglier. Who needs to do a driveby shooting if you could drop a homemade bomb from a McDonalds bathroom 20 miles away using some jailbroken drone? Vi…

Sometimes the US perspective of things is completely surreal for me as a European. In a country where you can buy assault rifles with minimal background checks, people worry about addresses being available because someone might be able to look up the address to kill them with a drone and a home made bomb.

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Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by justrealist »

potatopatch wrote: post #119
justrealist wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Only on income over $120,000 (it's inflation indexed), so it doesn't matter for the OP. 2. The US does not collect, if you don't want to come back to the US it doesn't matter.

The US extends its power over financial institutions whenever it wants, so anyone who leaves the US without renouncing and then can't renounce due to incompliance is likely to end up unbanked eventually.

"likely" and "eventually" are doing a lot of work for you here.

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by wutwutwat »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #98
wutwutwat wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait until someone puts a gun on a drone and shoots up a concert from states away, or another country...

we're not talking about UAVs here though, someone needs to configure the drone very locally

You realize they are using drones that you or I can buy on amazon, to blow up tanks and people in an ongoing war?

> The logic was simple, Pharmacist says: Exploding drones cost roughly $400 to make, while a conventional projectile can cost nearly 10 times as much. Even if it requires multiple drones to take out a tank — and sometimes it does — it is still worth it.

> But first they had to modify commercial drones with hardware and software to suit the battlefield, enabling them to penetrate deeper behind enemy lines without being detected or jammed. A breakthrough came through the clever use of several drones in unison.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-ukraine-soldiers-use-...

Cell phone w/ 5G and a time investment from a software engineer could make the range limitless. The point is, it's entirely possible to remotely drone strike using shit from amazon if one were so inclined.

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by potatopatch »

justrealist wrote: post #122
potatopatch wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US extends its power over financial institutions whenever it wants, so anyone who leaves the US without renouncing and then can't renounce due to incompliance is likely to end up unbanked eventually.

"likely" and "eventually" are doing a lot of work for you here.

Likely and eventually are doing a lot of work for the US over decades, the hypothetical person is already unable to open a brokerage account since mid last decade in many countries.

First world children accidentally having US citizenship from their parents youthful indiscretions aren't so happy this decade with their inability to use normal financial services in their own country.

There's the possibility that the US gets sidelined in global finance but otherwise there's no reason to assume it won't continue with its current momentum instead of recently developed progressions somehow being steady state.

Going to the US as some kind of fun few year adventure is really no longer something someone should contemplate without first consulting non existent neutral international financial/immigration/legal council. If you aren't sure of a very specific goal/desire consider if somewhere else might work well enough instead.

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by wutwutwat »

23B1 wrote: post #2

PDF of the study: https://techpolicy.sanford.duke.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites...

We're talking about cybersecurity here. Of course I'll open up that PDF without hesitation!

/s

https://www.google.com/search?q=pdf+used+in+cyber+attack

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by pvg »

wutwutwat wrote: post #118
pvg wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not going to call you crazy but the opposite policy - trying to keep these secret would definitely be crazy. It would be impractical, ineffective and at odds with all sorts of notions of an open, democratic society.

Not mentioning something Vs. putting it on blast online are two ends of a spectrum of common sense when you have access to privileged information that others are willing to kill, in extreme cases, to obtain. This is the only time I can think of where security through obscurity actually can have an impact on your life, and the lives of those around you.

There's no such threat against almost everybody with clearances.

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by wutwutwat »

23B1 wrote: post #89
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #84

Most people's data is being sold. No reason military people would be exempt.

The reason is twofold: 1. Servicemembers hold security clearances and thus access to critical things. 2. Leaked PII is a national security threat. This report, I'd argue, is good 'marketing' for the very real need for privacy protections nationwide. The U.S. military is, despite its best efforts, still an admired and respected institution.

Our nation allows private companies to SELL PII. Our nation utilizes the availability of said PII to build their own spying apparatus. Law Enforcement uses harvested location data to track people without any warrants or due process.

You are ignoring huge parts of reality to be able to say those 2 points above.

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by talldatethrow »

cycomanic wrote: post #56
jjkeddo199 wrote: post #33

Seeing drone dropped grenades everywhere in Ukraine has made me worried about normalized "drone drop murders" spreading to the rest of the world. With widely available addresses gang violence, political killings, and even online flamewar escalations will become much much uglier. Who needs to do a driveby shooting if you could drop a homemade bomb from a McDonalds bathroom 20 miles away using some jailbroken drone? Vi…

Sometimes the US perspective of things is completely surreal for me as a European. In a country where you can buy assault rifles with minimal background checks, people worry about addresses being available because someone might be able to look up the address to kill them with a drone and a home made bomb.

Since guns are easily available, it's harder to kill someone.. since they might have a gun.

In Europe, all you need to kill your enemy and his family is two guys and a baseball bat or a knife. In America, you atleast need a gun since odds are they have a gun at home.

Re: U.S. military members' personal data being sold by online brokers

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Post by wutwutwat »

pvg wrote: post #126
wutwutwat wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not mentioning something Vs. putting it on blast online are two ends of a spectrum of common sense when you have access to privileged information that others are willing to kill, in extreme cases, to obtain. This is the only time I can think of where security through obscurity actually can have an impact on your life, and the lives of those around you.

There's no such threat against almost everybody with clearances.

Then why is security clearance required? This is the same level of clearance that Snowden had. He had access to be able to leak a bunch of programs that he literally was worried about being murdered for exposing. If he had access to information he might be killed by exposing, you don't think he and everyone else at that level has the ability to gain access to information someone else might be willing to kill in order to obtain? Cmon now, no such threat, that's ridiculous. People have killed people for a name, of course they will kill to get into these systems.
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