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Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by badlucklottery »

good8675309 wrote: post #108
rootusrootus wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Equally, I'm fascinated by people who white knight for him. I assume to some extent it must just be ideology. Objectively, he has a history of making bold claims about his products that either never come to fruition, or are delayed for years. Being skeptical of what he says is the rational choice. > have probably been positively impacted by him Well, every time my Model 3's wipers go batshit insane, I get a little ir…

So if we don't dog-pile on a specific tech CEO and give the rest a pass we are white knights? I like to push back against the crowd when I see irrational dog-piling. Why is it that when Facebook is mentioned, the comments aren't trashing Zuckerberg in every other comment like when Musk is mentioned? Like he gets a free pass. That actually seems more ideologically driven, especially when you compare what Musk has done…

> So if we don't dog-pile on a specific tech CEO and give the rest a pass we are white knights?

The problem with bringing up those other tech CEOs vs. actually defending Musk is it starts looking like whataboutism.

I personally think there's enough hate for tech CEOs to go around and we don't need to ration it out.

Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by coding123 »

organsnyder wrote: post #40
rburhum wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Starlink has also been used by Musk to dictate decisions in the Ukraine war. That's far more serious than "just" a "culture war" issue.

If Starlink had not existed, there would have been no decision to make. Just because it is an option doesn't mean the country needs to use it, depend on it at all. If your success or failure in a war depends on one company doing something or not, you're definitely doing WAR wrong.

Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by theultdev »

badlucklottery wrote: post #121
good8675309 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if we don't dog-pile on a specific tech CEO and give the rest a pass we are white knights? I like to push back against the crowd when I see irrational dog-piling. Why is it that when Facebook is mentioned, the comments aren't trashing Zuckerberg in every other comment like when Musk is mentioned? Like he gets a free pass. That actually seems more ideologically driven, especially when you compare what Musk has done…

> So if we don't dog-pile on a specific tech CEO and give the rest a pass we are white knights? The problem with bringing up those other tech CEOs vs. actually defending Musk is it starts looking like whataboutism. I personally think there's enough hate for tech CEOs to go around and we don't need to ration it out.

You missed his point. He's saying not picking up a mob pitchfork and challenging irrational statements does not mean you are white-knighting.

He's not saying "look over at that other CEO".

Even still, it's not whataboutism to put things in perspective as you may see that you're blowing one thing out of proportion due to bias if those same values are being violated by another entity but you are okay with it because of the entity itself.

It's always a good exercise to check for contradictions in your values.

Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by good8675309 »

badlucklottery wrote: post #121
good8675309 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if we don't dog-pile on a specific tech CEO and give the rest a pass we are white knights? I like to push back against the crowd when I see irrational dog-piling. Why is it that when Facebook is mentioned, the comments aren't trashing Zuckerberg in every other comment like when Musk is mentioned? Like he gets a free pass. That actually seems more ideologically driven, especially when you compare what Musk has done…

> So if we don't dog-pile on a specific tech CEO and give the rest a pass we are white knights? The problem with bringing up those other tech CEOs vs. actually defending Musk is it starts looking like whataboutism. I personally think there's enough hate for tech CEOs to go around and we don't need to ration it out.

Sure, but it's just when I see Facebook, Google, etc mentioned in a headline, I see rational conversation about the topic, but when I see a Musk company mentioned in a headline, I already know what the comments are going to look like.

Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by sneak »

te_chris wrote: post #26
goalieca wrote: post #3

I can’t understate how revolutionary this technology is for those outside of dense urban center. It has even been well utilized by Ukraine in the war and is jamming resistant.

Unless the jamming is being performed by an anxious and needy tech mogul after a phone call with a dictator.

Starlink was already shut off in Crimea because of the war. He denied a request by the Ukrainians to turn it back on in that geofence that they made specifically so that they could use it to conduct an airstrike.

I’d have denied that request too.

Please make sure you communicate the facts correctly when spreading this meme.

More generally though: why do people love spreading false narratives? It’s ok not to like tech billionaires but I don’t get why they go around lying about stuff. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Elon Musk without making stuff up.

Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by benzible »

next_xibalba wrote: post #14
drannex wrote: post #6

I don't trust a single thing he says at this point without evidence, I just can't possibly see it as breakeven without it, which we likely won't receive as they are a private corp.

Why does it matter to you? I am fascinated by people who have such strong opinions about Musk, particularly on the negative side. The vast majority have never met him and, if they were honest, have probably been positively impacted by him (or not at all). Personally, I hope it’s true. Starlink is good for the world.

Do you actually limit your opinions to people you've met, based on your personal interactions with them? Do you consider your personal impressions of someone to be a better way of evaluating their truthfulness than the public record of their past statements?

Musk's record is quite clear at this point: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https:...

Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by maplant »

next_xibalba wrote: post #78
webkike wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven’t met him, but he has bought out my favorite social media website solely so he can insert his insipid opinions and comments, so I think the negative reactions are warranted. Why do people always talk about needing to meet a guy to have an opinion on them? I haven’t met Dick Cheney either

> he has bought out my favorite social media websites solely so he can insert his insipid opinions and comments Can you share a link that documents him saying this? Every statement I've heard is something to the effect of "to preserve a space for free speech." If you can't produce evidence, you're assuming intent. That's your bias, and it isn't rooted in reality. > Why do people always talk about needing to meet a gu…

When I say insert his insipid comments, I literally mean _his_ comments. His tweets. His stupid fucking tweets.

Are Dick Cheney and Elon Musk equally as evil? No. It’s an analogy.

Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by coding123 »

good8675309 wrote: post #108
rootusrootus wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Equally, I'm fascinated by people who white knight for him. I assume to some extent it must just be ideology. Objectively, he has a history of making bold claims about his products that either never come to fruition, or are delayed for years. Being skeptical of what he says is the rational choice. > have probably been positively impacted by him Well, every time my Model 3's wipers go batshit insane, I get a little ir…

So if we don't dog-pile on a specific tech CEO and give the rest a pass we are white knights? I like to push back against the crowd when I see irrational dog-piling. Why is it that when Facebook is mentioned, the comments aren't trashing Zuckerberg in every other comment like when Musk is mentioned? Like he gets a free pass. That actually seems more ideologically driven, especially when you compare what Musk has done…

The funny thing about Zuckerberg is that he's also shifting to the right if you watched some videos about the FBI discussing covid. I mean come on, Zuck showed up on Joe Rogan!

Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by scottyah »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #103

"Elon Musk has repeatedly stated his intention to offer an initial public offering (IPO) for Starlink once its revenue is growing predictably enough to attract investors" I'll buy some shares if Starlink go IPO. this break even cash flow might bring the IPO one step closer. https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/spacex-wins-a-$70-million-sp...

It'll be interesting to see how they break up SpaceX employees if they IPO Starlink. SpaceX is still supposed to only IPO when they hit mars
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