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Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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I wish the US would get its act together on stuff like this but it’s too busy getting campaign funds from such schemes

It's not just that; the US just doesn't believe much in regulating businesses, even if they're demonstrably harming society. They really believe "The Invisible Hand" will make everything better in the end.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

#122
post #60

I wish the US would get its act together on stuff like this but it’s too busy getting campaign funds from such schemes

It's not just that; the US just doesn't believe much in regulating businesses, even if they're demonstrably harming society. They really believe "The Invisible Hand" will make everything better in the end.

> the US just doesn't believe much in regulating businesses

The US has tons of strange regulations like banning car manufacturers from selling cars themselves without a middleman or dictating what kind of showerheads are allowed to be sold.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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> Why are people so vehemently oppose to being shown ads that are actually relevant to them on ad-supported platforms? speaking only for myself, two reasons: 1. they don't show me relevant ads. I would honestly fill out surveys for them to show me relevant ads, but they still won't, just like Netflix and Amazon won't restrain themselves from showing me the same screens full of movies and TV that I will never watch. I…

> hot javascript and flashing lights.

I really don't think we're using the same Facebook. Facebook's ads are tiles in the feeds, they're very occasional ads that play after a video when you're in their video section, they're an occasional sponsored Reel that you can just swipe past, and they're a 0.75cm tall strip of products (I get Nordstrom) across the bottom of a playing Reel. Of all the advertising platforms, this seems one of the most respectful of me. Compare this to YouTube's unskippable preroll and mid-roll ads (though the cheap availability of Premium means you're choosing to pay with your time instead of money so :shrug: whatever). And compare with any local or national TV news website and most blog-style sites, laden with fake malware ads, "one weird trick for fat loss" with disgusting body horror pictures. I really genuinely do not find Meta that bothersome compared to almost anyone else.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just that; the US just doesn't believe much in regulating businesses, even if they're demonstrably harming society. They really believe "The Invisible Hand" will make everything better in the end.

> the US just doesn't believe much in regulating businesses The US has tons of strange regulations like banning car manufacturers from selling cars themselves without a middleman or dictating what kind of showerheads are allowed to be sold.

Fun fact: most showerheads can easily be modified to allow maximum water flow rates. 30 seconds and a pair of pliers is often all it takes.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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post #120

Context from the Norwegian article: Meta promised to ask users whether they want to opt-in, but they never did, so now they are banning these behaviours until they have come up with a better way of handling this. Furthermore, Meta wanted those who opt-out of data sharing to have to pay money, which is most likely not legal.

> Meta wanted those who opt-out of data sharing to have to pay money, which is most likely not legal. I really don't get this attitude. I 100% endorse everyone's right to uninstall every Meta app and never use them, and to block their on-page trackers on third-party websites with an adblocker, all that. But the notion that there should be some sort of EU-protected "Right To Use Facebook For Free"... nah. Using the ap…

What you are asking for is the ability to sell your right to privacy. Laws generally don't allow you to sell or otherwise relinquish your rights, eg. selling your vote or selling yourself into slavery or accepting licenses in conflict with rights granted by local consumer laws. Some things we don't want assigned a value that can be traded. The EU has decided that the right to privacy includes not being tracked on the Internet, and any 'you can only use this if you give up your right or pay money' is not going to be allowed, because it ends up destroying that right for many.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Nobody is opposed to relevant ads on TV (I mean, not any more than they're opposed to ads in general). it's the means by which they make them relevant. No one would be cool if Facebook sent agents to your home each night to rifle through your drawers to learn about you and "tailor ads to you and make them more relevant". That's the problem, the data-collecting and spying.

It doesn’t even work. They steal all my data and ads and suggestions are still garbage.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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post #120

Context from the Norwegian article: Meta promised to ask users whether they want to opt-in, but they never did, so now they are banning these behaviours until they have come up with a better way of handling this. Furthermore, Meta wanted those who opt-out of data sharing to have to pay money, which is most likely not legal.

> Meta wanted those who opt-out of data sharing to have to pay money, which is most likely not legal. I really don't get this attitude. I 100% endorse everyone's right to uninstall every Meta app and never use them, and to block their on-page trackers on third-party websites with an adblocker, all that. But the notion that there should be some sort of EU-protected "Right To Use Facebook For Free"... nah. Using the ap…

I would love to believe that advertising would go away if only we all paid subscription fees. Cable television tells a different story.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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post #120

Context from the Norwegian article: Meta promised to ask users whether they want to opt-in, but they never did, so now they are banning these behaviours until they have come up with a better way of handling this. Furthermore, Meta wanted those who opt-out of data sharing to have to pay money, which is most likely not legal.

> Meta wanted those who opt-out of data sharing to have to pay money, which is most likely not legal. I really don't get this attitude. I 100% endorse everyone's right to uninstall every Meta app and never use them, and to block their on-page trackers on third-party websites with an adblocker, all that. But the notion that there should be some sort of EU-protected "Right To Use Facebook For Free"... nah. Using the ap…

Well, they are already pushing ads on people and make money through that business model. Forcing the ads to be targeted creates another revenue stream for Meta but does not add anything to your argument that we should be willing to give this away in exchange for free use. We are already paying for it, with time and attention and them manipulating our emotions.

I don't mind this business model as much as some, but I think you're arguing the wrong thing here.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Meta wanted those who opt-out of data sharing to have to pay money, which is most likely not legal. I really don't get this attitude. I 100% endorse everyone's right to uninstall every Meta app and never use them, and to block their on-page trackers on third-party websites with an adblocker, all that. But the notion that there should be some sort of EU-protected "Right To Use Facebook For Free"... nah. Using the ap…

I would love to believe that advertising would go away if only we all paid subscription fees. Cable television tells a different story.

Then again, Netflix and YouTube Premium contradict that (for now).

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

#130
post #120

Context from the Norwegian article: Meta promised to ask users whether they want to opt-in, but they never did, so now they are banning these behaviours until they have come up with a better way of handling this. Furthermore, Meta wanted those who opt-out of data sharing to have to pay money, which is most likely not legal.

> Meta wanted those who opt-out of data sharing to have to pay money, which is most likely not legal. I really don't get this attitude. I 100% endorse everyone's right to uninstall every Meta app and never use them, and to block their on-page trackers on third-party websites with an adblocker, all that. But the notion that there should be some sort of EU-protected "Right To Use Facebook For Free"... nah. Using the ap…

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