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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by dml2135 » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:03 AM UTC

anemoiac wrote: post #37

Can we use more than one external display yet?

Seemingly no. So far it looks like (someone please correct me if I’m wrong): - M3, 1 external display - M3 Pro, 2 external displays - M3 Max, 4 external displays

This has to be a product differentiation decision at this point, right? Is there any serious technical limitation against more displays in the base chip, that Apple has not been able to solve in three generations?

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by schneems » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:03 AM UTC

sosodev wrote: post #90

jmspring wrote: post #61

Am I the only one shaking my head that they kept comparing the M3 chips against M1 chips skipping M2? Just like the last product release spent more time on huffing their own farts (the Apple Watch is the first of its kind carbon negative product), there is no real innovation or something to garner interest for me here.

Are they not supposed to make comparisons? I don't understand what alternative you would like.

I understood they wanted a comparison to the M2, the most recent version. Most people care about “what changed since last version” it’s disingenuous to say “X faster!! (Than an model out date by a year)”

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by CaliforniaKarl » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:03 AM UTC

jdprgm wrote: post #11

I don't understand why they don't update the entire lineup whenever a new chip comes out, especially if really only swapping the chip in the macbook pro and imac here. On a separate note does anyone have any insight on how unified memory compares to vram in the context of machine learning performance? Considering an H100 with 80GB costs like $30k a maxed out macbook pro with 128gb unified memory for $5k is interestin…

Besides wanting to clear out existing M1/M2 capacity, I don't there's enough M3 stock right now.

I forget how many fabs TSMC has that have 3-nanometer capability, but it's gotta be low. Apple's supposedly got _all_ of TSMC's capacity[0], but I doubt it's enough.

[0]: Apple is saving “billions” on chips thanks to unique deal with TSMC | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37040722

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by varispeed » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:03 AM UTC

That looks impressive, but why they show animations at so low fps as a demonstration of performance?

Surely they should play it at 60 or more fps...

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by LeoPanthera » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:04 AM UTC

amelius wrote: post #19

This is cool, where can I buy the chips and read their datasheets?

This question is in bad faith, and you know it. You know Apple doesn't sell chips.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by miohtama » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:04 AM UTC

> With the M3 family of chips, hardware-accelerated ray tracing comes to the Mac for the first time. Ray tracing models the properties of light as it interacts with a scene, allowing apps to create extremely realistic and physically accurate images. This, along with the new graphics architecture, allows pro apps to deliver up to 2.5x the speed of the M1 family of chips.

Does this mean we can finally play Cyberpunk 2077 on a laptop? Is it going to be anywhere near as powerful as desktop Nvidia cards?

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by smith7018 » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:04 AM UTC

artdigital wrote: post #78

adocomplete wrote: post #10

I purchased a fully maxed out M2 Max MacBook Pro when it was announced like 6 months ago. I knew it was going to be outdated eventually, but within 6 months, wow. Did not expect that.

I use a maxed-out M1 Max and have 0 complaints. There was never a task where I felt the memory or CPU performance was not enough

I have the same M1 Max as a personal machine and just got a maxed out M2 Max for work. The M2 Max does feel faster through daily use but that could also be related to the new install?

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by quyleanh » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:04 AM UTC

So they remove MacBook 13 inch and replace with MacBook 14 inch as base. Many people will see the $500 off. Good selling strategy.

Btw, I didn't see the comparison with M2 chip. Could anyone give me the reference for that? Thank you.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by Macha » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:04 AM UTC

throwaway019254 wrote: post #51

nextos wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in EU, the price I get in the local Apple Store is 2029€ = $2153.

You will need to convince your politicians to lower import duties and taxes. And that $1599 USD is without taxes. So not the whole US has this price. It was always worth for me to travel to Oregon to have zero tax.

Here's some example US->EU Markups for other laptops in the same (EU) price range, sold direct by manufacturers to Ireland (list price to list price, so tax excl in US, tax incl in EU):

- Macbook Pro (M3, 8GB RAM, 512 GB Storage): $1549 -> €2049 ($2179) = 40% Markup

- Dell XPS 15 (i3-13700H, RTX 4050, 16GB RAM, 512GB Storage): $1865 -> €1989 ($2110) = 13% Markup

- Framework 16 (Prebuilt Performance Pro - Ryzen 7840HS, 16GB RAM, 512GB Storage): $1739 -> €1907 ($2023) = 16% markup

Apple's EU markup is an outlier here.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by renewiltord » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 1:04 AM UTC

xnx wrote: post #72

In the same way that Wikipedians rush to update the pages of recently dead celebrities, I'm surprised there isn't a similar rush to update pages like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_silicon around events like this.

We do. I was just at my day job. If someone else doesn't get to it this evening, I'll add something.