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Flashback trojan reportedly controls half a million Macs and counting

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Re: Flashback trojan reportedly controls half a million Macs and counting

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post #116

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In the context of Apple's "Mac vs PC" campaign, does anyone seriously have doubt about what they mean by a PC?

I know I'm playing semantic games here, but so is Apple with this slogan :)

Not really - in context it's perfectly clear what they meant.

Re: Flashback trojan reportedly controls half a million Macs and counting

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post #117

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No, they are stating that Macs are not susceptible to PC viruses, which is true. They are implying that viruses are a severe problem on PCs that Mac users do not face. This was undoubtedly true when they were running those adverts.

Yes. They are stating that Macs are not susceptible to PC viruses. Yes, this is true. However this is not worth stating, so most people would infer that Macs cannot get any viruses from that sentence.

It may not be worth stating to people round here who are essentially experts in the field, but to the vast majority of everyday PC users it's not at all obvious and very much worth stating.

Re: Flashback trojan reportedly controls half a million Macs and counting

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post #102

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I've had new Mac users insist that I recommend an antivirus for them. Users who had very safe habits, didn't download basically any software or visit warez sites. They simply - and very sadly IMO - cannot reconcile the idea of a world where AV software is not completely necessary. They'd only make their computer slower but hey, it's their choice.

Dude, you need to update your mental threat model. These days, there's no such thing as "safe habits" - you're up against drive-by downloads that exploit browser or plugin vulnerabilities and are delivered by all kinds of perfectly normal websites that just happen to be vulnerable to SQL injection.

My cousin, for instance, uses her Mac as a word processor, email reader, Wikipedia reader or DVD player 90% of the time. Works in TextEdit, doesn't download basically anything at all. Does everything basically inside Apple's walled garden. The only "dangerous" thing she did in the past is using MSN for Windows. This could mean automatically receiving payloads and run them by just having an infected contact, because of Microsoft's "wise" defaults. This doesn't happen on Adium. I think she doesn't login to that network much anymore, now it's all about Jabber (gtalk) and Skype I reckon.

Unless Apple started injecting payloads there's basically no plausible way to get her infected. She doesn't even "browse the net" for the most part, doesn't click on links, doesn't give a f.

There are safe habits. AV companies would like to have you thinking you're always about to have your nix based system rooted, but this is damn unlikely for most people not using dodgy sites. I fancy my chances to get struck by lightning above her chances of having her system compromised, and I don't get out of my house scared.

Re: Flashback trojan reportedly controls half a million Macs and counting

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post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. They are stating that Macs are not susceptible to PC viruses. Yes, this is true. However this is not worth stating, so most people would infer that Macs cannot get any viruses from that sentence.

It may not be worth stating to people round here who are essentially experts in the field, but to the vast majority of everyday PC users it's not at all obvious and very much worth stating.

According to the paragraph that follows: A Mac isn't susceptible to the thousands of viruses plaguing Windows-based computers. That's thanks to built-in defenses in Mac OS X that keep you safe, without any work on your part.

They're saying PCs get viruses and Macs don't because of the way it's designed. Not that PCs get PC viruses and Macs get Mac viruses.

They are also implying that it's the sole reason for the lack of viruses, when it's mainly the lack of users. That would explain why it's not susceptible to every other type of software available on Windows.

Re: Flashback trojan reportedly controls half a million Macs and counting

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post #42

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Given that macs are PCs, being personal computers, it's not true that macs don't get PC viruses.

In the general public's eyes Macs are computers, so yes they are PCs. In the Appleland, "PC" is synonomous with "Microsoft Windows", and hence Apple Macs aren't PCs. I had a long time Apple user ask me if I had a Mac or PC. I was using Ubuntu Linux at the time, so I said PC :P

You should have just said, "Linux". Mac users make this distinction because they constantly need to inform I.T. manager's that they are not using a Microsoft Windows OS. Originally, this meant an IBM-PC or an IBM-PC compatible computer, but it was a whole lot easier to just say "PC". I'm sure Linux users also need to explain to their network admins that they're running Linux.

The term "PC" persists not just for historical reasons, but because its hard to come up with a replacement term. A "Mac" refers both to hardware and the OS, whereas a "PC" means "Windows OS running on Windows-compatible computer". I suppose we could replace the term "PC" with "WOS-ROWCC".

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