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I find people that don't read what is written a lot more tiring. Where did I assume I can accurately assess how many employees Nokia is supposed to have?
So if you can't assess - why are you suprised about this particular number?
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Personally I read it a little differently, more along the lines of "I didn't realise Nokia was that big! Are they involved in other sectors I don't know about?"
Within the context of HN that is 100% the wrong way to read it
>Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
I can't be the only one that's surprised that Nokia still has 86000 employees. It makes me wonder what they all do.
I'm so tired of seeing these comments where people assume they can accurately assess how many employees companies are supposed to have ...
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I find people that don't read what is written a lot more tiring. Where did I assume I can accurately assess how many employees Nokia is supposed to have?
So if you can't assess - why are you suprised about this particular number?
Humans in general are horrible at encompassing large numbers. We can interpret and understand them, but our mental model sense of scale isn't flexed often enough in daily life (where we maybe deal with thousands at most) to truly appreciate hundreds of thousands, or millions intuitively.
A year before the first iPhone was released, I told Nokia they needed to take their N700 Internet Tablet, add voice calling and text messaging, and offer it in many screen sizes like 3", 4", 5", 6", and 7". If they had followed my advice instead of laughing at me they would still be the largest cell phone maker on planet Earth.
It had a resistive touch screen and stylus, so it was never going to succeed.
A year before the first iPhone was released, I told Nokia they needed to take their N700 Internet Tablet, add voice calling and text messaging, and offer it in many screen sizes like 3", 4", 5", 6", and 7". If they had followed my advice instead of laughing at me they would still be the largest cell phone maker on planet Earth.
You and loads of other people in Nokia. Including me. The N800 actually had a silly webcam and skype running on the device. And Google used it to dual boot early versions of Android on it. This was before they had the first nexus phone to work with. The only thing it lacked (on purpose) was phone functionality. They were just stubbornly betting the company on Symbian and never committed properly to making a flagship…
in all fairness, there wasn't really a good move to make here yet. IOS was and is closed down, and early android was pretty rough on the software end. and Android device would not necessarily have saved them.
Windows 7 mobile wasnt much better and it was still a ways from the Windows 8 devices. Which was pretty good as devices but was simply too late to capture the network effect. A real shame; I think 3 is the minimum numbers of competitors I'd want for an industry this huge.
Is this the normal course of things? "We are now beginning the process of consultation on initial reductions." I'm not in the know.. but it comes off as if they have no idea what they're doing. You'd think you'd decide who you are gunna lay off before announcing it..? And they will be laying people off for two years straight? Seems like it'd just tank the moral of the whole place. I thought companies generally rip th…
Yep. The whole company has been like that. Just look at the rebranding comment someone in this thread.
Is this the normal course of things? "We are now beginning the process of consultation on initial reductions." I'm not in the know.. but it comes off as if they have no idea what they're doing. You'd think you'd decide who you are gunna lay off before announcing it..? And they will be laying people off for two years straight? Seems like it'd just tank the moral of the whole place. I thought companies generally rip th…
In Finland there is a mandated period of 'consultation' - usually at least 2 weeks long, between company and employees (or their representatives) when such things happen. I don't know if the actual term in Finnish is supposed to sound as euphemistic as the English one - but at this point it's pretty much decided.
Those consultations have been going on sometime now. This is nearly over. Overall, this is just plain stupid wording.
Earlier this year, Nokia changes iconic logo to signal strategy shift: https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2023/02/26/nokia-c...