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Does the law require unanimity, or just a majority? This page[0] seems to suggest only a majority is necessary, but I can't find anything else to back that up; but I suppose we'll find out in a week or two. [0]: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/chat-control-2-0-eu-governm...
It’s not gonna pass against Germany.
EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption
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I am not a citizen of the UK nor from the US, if this system is enough for you, then by all means feel free to disagree. In my book an elected official is someone who was voted in office. If you are not elected then you are appointed. If you are appointed you do not need to be accountable because the people cannot revoke your mandate nor can they vote you out. To me it seems inconceivable that someone who was appoint…
> and not have to defend it The commission has to defend their suggestions or they won't make it through council and parliament. And if an individual commissioner is only delivering suggestions that get voted down, they're not likely to get reappointed. Is there room for improvement? Sure. Is this specific suggestion a complete piece of trash? Sure. Will that be different if we have some kind of presidential election…
Just like with the migrant quotas that Hungary and Poland are boycotting. Meanwhile, the far right gets more votes because people are fed up with this BS and naïve enough to vote for them.
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#125Initiatives like Chat Control makes me pessimistic. They keep on coming in all sort of variations and we defend. Given enough of such iterations, at some point though they’ll eventually be lucky and god knows how long it will take to revert things. And what I don’t get is that this sort of proposed legislation is more than Stasi could've ever wished. And yet it’s openly discussed as if it’s good idea. And note that “…
Luckily governments are not a monolithic and coherent block. France for example was an early backer of matrix.. So if the worst happens and a mandatory chat control will gets implemented by the government, then it is a good thing that other parts of the government helped making sure, there are working alternatives avaiable, that are not so easy to regulate.
The good thing about it is that it's an ungovernable nation and they havd mass protests and strikes when the government does something unpopular.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not a citizen of the UK nor from the US, if this system is enough for you, then by all means feel free to disagree. In my book an elected official is someone who was voted in office. If you are not elected then you are appointed. If you are appointed you do not need to be accountable because the people cannot revoke your mandate nor can they vote you out. To me it seems inconceivable that someone who was appoint…
As I said, EC members are appointed by the elected governments and EP and the EP members are directly elected. If you don't like it you can start or join a political movement to change it or political movement to exit the EU. However it's not O.K. to go around claim that those people are appointees of 3rd parties and are agents of companies and rule with impunity and the EU citizens can't do anything about it. It's a…
The exact distribution of responsibilities of the EC and who is to lead the commission is determined through international diplomacy.
Sure, the democratically elected parliament can veto the commission. But not propose a new one.
To even start comparing it with elections for US president and British PM is disingenuous at best.
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Small reminder that the left party described in your comment is actually formerly known as the communist party in Sweden and that they supported during WW2 the invading soviet forces vs Finland. That may explain why she is interested in bringing this legislation forward. I think privacy is not at the forefront of preoccupations for communists.
This is a false equivalency argument. It would be just as false as saying "rdm_blackhole supports decriminalising incitement because he supports free speech".
There is no false equivalency whatsoever here.
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Spain has been traditionally and particularly idiotic about tech legislation. Some examples: - There was (and is) a fee on every CD-R, DVD-R, BR-R, hard drive, SSD, printer... as a "just in case it happens to store/copy copyright-protected material at some point ever" fee [0]. - They forced link aggregators to pay newspapers/sites for linking to their content, even just using their tags. [1]. So such insane statement…
Spain, inheriting Franco's legacy, likes their own secret internal police and abuse of power. For exampel, Madrid was using Pegasus spyware to spy Catalonian politicians and separatists https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/catalonia-ban... From this background, it's more understandable they want to all possible methods to spy their own citizens.
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I didn't vote for Ursula, and if the shit gets really really bad, our government is a few kilometers away from where I'm now, and modern pitchfork analogs are easy to find.
She is appointed by the MPs you elected, in a similar manner with the British Prime minister.
Re: EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption
#130So I guess we have to wait to see if EtoE encryption is banned and/or client side scanning becomes mandatory. What is the best path of action for someone who is privacy minded? Buy a dumb phone?
You can continue to use encryption just fine: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.sufficientlysecure.keych... The problem would be with the messaging/media services that have EtoE encryption integrated in the same app. I am not sure how buying a dumb phone solves anything.
But this won't be the end of it. Obviously the pervs will simply move to an open source app that doesn't obey this scanning. Or they'll use some kind of overlay encryption. Like sending gpg encrypted files as you point out.
So, in a year or so the police will rightfully complain they can't filter those and there's too many apps to check for. So what will the EU do? They'll mandate client side scanning in the OS that scans everything being displayed on screen. It's the only way to catch everything. They just killed privacy for everyone using an off the shelf phone. And perhaps PC if they include those.
But this won't be the end of it. Obviously the pervs will simply move to an open source OS.
So, in a year after that the police will complain they can't check open source devices. So what will they do? They'll mandate running a signed OS and using attestation to access the internet. They just killed FOSS and privacy for everyone using technology.
And of course, no that won't be the end of it. The pervs will share their pics on paper or whatever. And everyone else will be under surveillance for the rest of our lives.
This endeavour will only lead to erosion of privacy and will not lead to prevention of sharing this material because they'll just find another way.
Whatever the EU will come up with, it'll either easily be bypassed, or it'll be unthinkably draconian. The former won't solve the problem and the latter will end society as we know it. There is no solution other than hard police work.