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Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by suoduandao3 »

parthdesai wrote: post #101
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could at least make the case that Obama promoted -- indeed, in a sense, embodied -- "fraternity between nations," for he was incredibly popular with most of America's allies. (See, e.g., his "rock star" reception in Germany.) Even its enemies were at worst ambivalent towards him personally, and at best they were hopeful that he'd bring about positive change. In this sense, he, at minimum, shored up the self-image…

> So I thought it was weird, sure, but I could somehow rationalize it. Not if you happened to be a person in Libya/Syria/Afghanistan or a few other middle eastern countries.

If I recall correctly though, Obama won the peace prize shortly after winning the election and ran from a much more doveish platform than he governed from.

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Post by psychlops »

voisin wrote: post #60
sneak wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They gave the Nobel Peace Prize to a US president who had ordered so many drone strikes that even by the US's own admission, hundreds of children were slaughtered. It's pretty farcical.

Had the drone strikes started when he Obama received the Nobel? It was awarded October 9, 2009, and he had only taken office that January. I recall the drone strikes (possibly incorrectly) being a second term controversy, not a first 9 months controversy.

Obama did more drone strikes in his first year (563) than Bush did his entire term. I can't find the specific months, but it's unlikely it was all done in the last quarter. He also authorized the first drone strike on an American.

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Post by alexsmarsh »

mhuffman wrote: post #113
binarymax wrote: post #103

It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect. Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through, the sacrifices they've made, and the bravery they show to try to make things better. Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion.

>Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion. Here's a hot take -- I think all the Nobel Prizes, not just the Peace Price are politicized, corrupt, pop-culture-ish, and basically just in-group accolades! Similar to the Academy Awards.

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Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by barry-cotter »

dmbche wrote: post #102
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could at least make the case that Obama promoted -- indeed, in a sense, embodied -- "fraternity between nations," for he was incredibly popular with most of America's allies. (See, e.g., his "rock star" reception in Germany.) Even its enemies were at worst ambivalent towards him personally, and at best they were hopeful that he'd bring about positive change. In this sense, he, at minimum, shored up the self-image…

I think they might be refering to Al Gore instead of Obama?

Both of them got it for not being Bush.

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Post by bannedbybros »

no-reply wrote: post #93
ReptileMan wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the world is just as peaceful (or peaceless) as before her activism. Now if she actually overthrew or forced the government to reform - it would be different. But award should be given for results not efforts.

On the basis of effort, we could probably hand out awards to a large number of dead people

Why make the award reasonable when it can be a feel-good self-congratulatory propaganda fest?

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Post by alephnerd »

Theodores wrote: post #115
archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

If I remember correctly, Saudi Arabia and Iran struck a peace deal this year, brokered with Chinese help. We haven't heard about Yemen since. Surely Xi Jinping, MBS and Khamenei deserve the award for actual peace? Yeah, that is three people we are told to hate. But they achieved actual peace. Instead we get this Iranian woman that nobody had heard of before today. Something is not right.

> Saudi Arabia and Iran struck a peace deal this year, brokered with Chinese help.

It wasn't a peace deal - it was a normalization of relations (aka they've reestablished diplomatic contact) [0]. Iranian and Saudi proxies are still killing each other in Syria and Iraq.

> We haven't heard about Yemen since.

That's because of Oman acting as a mediator between the Houthis and Saudis [1]

[0] - https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/06/12/saudi-iran-rapprochemen...

[1] - https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/war-yem...

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Post by muniq »

bnralt wrote: post #79
archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

ElBaradei won in 2005, when he was a vocal opponent of Bush's military interventions (Obama's prize in 2009 was likewise mainly a rebuke of Bush). Tawakkol Karman (2011) has been a vocal critic of Saudi Arabia. Willy Brandt received his prize specifically for increasing ties with the Eastern Bloc. In terms of prizes giving for those working against particular regimes, anti-apartheid activists have received the most (…

Gandhi - whose name has become synonymous with peace and non-violence - was nominated 3 times but didn't win.

The evidence strongly suggests that the Nobel committee doesn't like giving the prize against anti-western dissidents until they absolutely have to, i.e. when not giving the prize would raise more eyebrows and damage the Nobel's reputation. The two anti-western dissidents that come to mind are Nelson Mandela and (arguably) Martin Luther King. Again, they received the prize after achieving global fame and recognition.

ElBaradei won the prize for his work in the IAEA (whose primary focus has been on non-western nations) -not for his opposition to the Iraq war - whose primary focus has been on non-western nations.

Tawakkol Karman (2011) is another dissident against a non-western country.

Willy Brandt wasn't a dissident of the West. Far from it in fact - known for fierce anti-communist domestic policies , support for right-wing governments, the Vietnam war and for promoting greater European and western integration.

Nobel prizes given to anti-apartheid South African activists seem to be a laudable counter-example to the rule though.

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Post by lttlrck »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #44

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Conveniently ignoring the persecution of minorities. This has been going on for decades and continues to this day.

E.g. the Baha’is

From 2008. Just the first paragraph will do.

https://news.bahai.org/story/632/

2018.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/10/16/iran-arrests-harassment-...

2022. The same ones imprisoned in 2008.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-throws-leading-bahai-acti...

Tip of the iceberg.

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Post by dragonwriter »

archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

> For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes

Rigoberta Menchú (awarded 1992) was an activist against the abuses of US allied regime, which abuses were aligned with and arguably a manifestation of US geopolitical priorities, and the Rev. Dr. King (awarded 1964) was an activist against the abuses of the American regime itself.

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Post by tshaddox »

mhuffman wrote: post #113
binarymax wrote: post #103

It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect. Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through, the sacrifices they've made, and the bravery they show to try to make things better. Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion.

>Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion. Here's a hot take -- I think all the Nobel Prizes, not just the Peace Price are politicized, corrupt, pop-culture-ish, and basically just in-group accolades! Similar to the Academy Awards.

Wait, are you implying that popular culture is bad? Should we simply not have popular culture?
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