Here is an uncomfortable truth. This man is in prison because of ableism. This is why body language “experts” are grifters and charlatans. This is why you shouldn’t convict people on a hunch, and why as a professional you don’t say shit you are unqualified to say. Ableism kills.
No he's in prison because multiple witnesses testified they saw him shake and hit and scream at his child for crying, repeatedly.
Texas death row inmate at mercy of supreme court, and junk science
121–130 of 255 posts
Re: Texas death row inmate at mercy of supreme court, and junk science
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is in no way evidence against it being murder. Abusers do that kind of thing all the time.
Shaken baby syndrome is very unlikely to be the result of malicious abuse though. It’s almost always a deeply frustrated parent or caregiver who is desperate, trying to assert control over a screaming infant, and does not understand that this could kill them, or at least thinks they will not. It is child abuse, but hardly of the same nature as most people assume with the term. Death sentence strikes me as an idiotic…
That sounds like malicious abuse to me.
> and does not understand that this could kill them, or at least thinks they will not.
It would still be manslaughter at least, if not murder. And if shaking the baby was itself felonious abuse, then an accidental death resulting from that is probably felony murder in states with such statutes.
Re: Texas death row inmate at mercy of supreme court, and junk science
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Society has made a God out of science. Don't get me wrong, science is a fantastic invention and should be taken seriously. Anyone who dismisses science without thought or reason is crazy. But as you saw during the pandemic and through this, we've lost some sense of reason when a flawed human in a white coat says something. We need to take what they say seriously but with a grain of salt that they get things wrong.
“Science” is just the process of continuously evaluating and re-evaluating what you know using data and experiments, and changing what you “know” (or your mental model) to align with the new data. What people deify is certain conclusions, for myriad reasons.
"Scientific consensus" is taken as gospel by many people. Most on this very board. They don't care to learn how the consensus was reached (usually happens by just ignoring detractors). They just care to feel superior to people outside the consensus because "duh, science".
Re: Texas death row inmate at mercy of supreme court, and junk science
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why? Shaken Baby Syndrome is a real thing. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/shaken-baby-s... [UPDATE] To those of you downvoting me, would you kindly explain why? It seems like a reasonable question to me.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/hypnosis/about/p...
Re: Texas death row inmate at mercy of supreme court, and junk science
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is in no way evidence against it being murder. Abusers do that kind of thing all the time.
Shaken baby syndrome is very unlikely to be the result of malicious abuse though. It’s almost always a deeply frustrated parent or caregiver who is desperate, trying to assert control over a screaming infant, and does not understand that this could kill them, or at least thinks they will not. It is child abuse, but hardly of the same nature as most people assume with the term. Death sentence strikes me as an idiotic…
I can relate to wanting to silence something very distressing/aggravating by any means necessary but as a Society we've decided that adults should know better and should be held responsible for such mistake/accident. And I tend to agree. So manslaughter it is.
Re: Texas death row inmate at mercy of supreme court, and junk science
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Shaken baby syndrome is very unlikely to be the result of malicious abuse though. It’s almost always a deeply frustrated parent or caregiver who is desperate, trying to assert control over a screaming infant, and does not understand that this could kill them, or at least thinks they will not. It is child abuse, but hardly of the same nature as most people assume with the term. Death sentence strikes me as an idiotic…
Yes, assuming the perp took the victim promptly to the hospital, I don't see why it should be qualified as murder unless there are antecedents. I can relate to wanting to silence something very distressing/aggravating by any means necessary but as a Society we've decided that adults should know better and should be held responsible for such mistake/accident. And I tend to agree. So manslaughter it is.
Re: Texas death row inmate at mercy of supreme court, and junk science
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Appeals aren’t meant to be a redo of the original trial. The judge ruled that he didn’t prove he was innocent, or that a reasonable juror couldn’t have voted to convict him if they saw his new evidence.
Please explain how "expert testimony has been widely discredited" doesn't count as new evidence?
Re: Texas death row inmate at mercy of supreme court, and junk science
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of the other death row inmates mentioned in the article as having failed the junk science law, Kosoul Chanthakoummane, was partly convicted for hypnosis induced testimony. The appeal response on calling it junk science was, paraphrased, "hypnosis induced testimony was known to be bogus in ~2005, when your trial was. You should have argued it then." That alone is terrible. But to make that bullshit even worse, Tex…
Why? Shaken Baby Syndrome is a real thing. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/shaken-baby-s... [UPDATE] To those of you downvoting me, would you kindly explain why? It seems like a reasonable question to me.
"We can't explain this trio of internal head/brain/eye trauma with lack of corresponding external trauma, but don't you dare make the reasonable claim that shaking a baby can/does nominally cause the symptoms we see when a baby is, in fact, shaken."
Re: Texas death row inmate at mercy of supreme court, and junk science
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Shaken baby syndrome is very unlikely to be the result of malicious abuse though. It’s almost always a deeply frustrated parent or caregiver who is desperate, trying to assert control over a screaming infant, and does not understand that this could kill them, or at least thinks they will not. It is child abuse, but hardly of the same nature as most people assume with the term. Death sentence strikes me as an idiotic…
> It’s almost always a deeply frustrated parent or caregiver who is desperate, trying to assert control over a screaming infant, That sounds like malicious abuse to me. > and does not understand that this could kill them, or at least thinks they will not. It would still be manslaughter at least, if not murder. And if shaking the baby was itself felonious abuse, then an accidental death resulting from that is probably…
Re: Texas death row inmate at mercy of supreme court, and junk science
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's not. Limiting the power of government is a central idea in conservative thought, especially in America[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_Sta...
That's what they may claim , but their actions speak much louder than their words. Just look at what happens whenever they take political power. They profess "local control" when they only have control of the localities; when they achieve power at the state or federal level, they immediately place restrictions on the ability of localities to set their own rules and laws. (I've seen this happen over and over.) And tra…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology
"Prosperity theology is a religious belief among some Charismatic Christians that financial blessing and physical well-being are always the will of God for them, and that faith, positive speech, and donations to religious causes will increase one's material wealth. Material and especially financial success is seen as a sign of divine favor."