> We’ll be launching the first product late 2023, with more coming in 2024.
Looks like this is an announcement of an announcement. Those are off topic on HN.
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
37signals Introduces "Once" - Buy software one time
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#122Re: 37signals Introduces "Once" - Buy software one time
#123Unless it's open source you're "Buying" a car with the hood welded shut.
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#124Why a sudden change of heart?
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Meanwhile, my mother uses photoshop and illustrator, she can't afford the ever increasing price of subscription services. She's in her 70's. It a distraught for her to think of losing access to her creatively outlet if she was to unable to afford the current subscription model. Subscriptions should be followed up with a perpetual license. She's just glad she forked out on CS2 when it was DVD based.
Have you ever looked at Affinity ( https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/ )? I bought their universal license a year or so ago and would definitely recommend it over Adobe for anybody who doesn't necessarily need to use Adobe, it's a lifetime license and the product is pretty comparable to Photoshop/Illustrator for whatever a hobbyist could need. I would strongly recommend giving them a look if you haven't already.
Just be aware: the workflow is entirely different for someone with a lot of Photoshop or Illustrator muscle memory. I couldn't figure out how to do a lot of stuff without googling (and then frequently still).
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#126Man, talk about a ship that has sailed. I was 100% anti-subscription pricing for a very long time. Eventually I realized, it's better for the software vendor and the customer. Final Cut Pro used to cost $999 upfront, now a teenager can use Final Cut on their iPad for $7/month, and subscribe only when they need it.
The problem is when it adds up: you pay for FCP, for Adobe, for Office, for Figma, for X... at the end, you are paying 200 dollars per month in software (without counting Netflix, Spotify, hosting, etc).
This is true of buy-once software too. You used to pay a significantly higher cost for FCP, Adobe, Office, etc......
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I agree with the majority of what you wrote, but I'm utterly confused by this statement > For some situations, subscriptions work well - music is one. I've only ever purchased albums. Why in the world would I pay a monthly fee for something I presumably want to listen for for the rest of my life? 10-15$ for a one time purchase is far preferable to a monthly fee of nearly the same. I'm also weary of the idea of the se…
Spotify is, let’s say, $120 a year. After 10 years, let’s say $1200. If an album has 5 songs, and an album costs $12.00 (dunno, middle of your range plus easy math), you can buy 100 albums in that time. 500 songs. After 500 songs for 10 years, your model costs more and offers no value (in fact, it’s less convenient for a dozen reasons) I don’t know about you, but I listen to way more than 500 songs… a year. Let alone…
That's fair. Hmm...maybe it's my listening habits, then?
For myself, when I listen to music, I insist on listening to it start to finish, in the order it was recorded. I hate skipping around. I find it distracting and frustrating. If I start listening to an album, I am "locked in" to finishing it.
Most albums I own are closer to 12 songs per album, with each song being in the 2-5 minute range, that makes listening somewhere around 24-60 minutes of solid music.
When I find an artist I like, I generally start to buy the other work that they've made, and will queue up their newer and older work together, too.
I will usually queue something like: new album, old album 1, old album 2, old album 3, translating close to a few solid hours of music. By the end of it, my ears will be pretty exhausted and I'll either continue in silence, or switch to an audiobook or YouTube video.
I might have a dramatically small collection of music that I listen to compared to other people, because of how I listen. I can essentially repeatedly listen to the same songs many times, but because there's a lot of stuff in-between it still feels new because I haven't fully memorized each note yet.
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#128Man, talk about a ship that has sailed. I was 100% anti-subscription pricing for a very long time. Eventually I realized, it's better for the software vendor and the customer. Final Cut Pro used to cost $999 upfront, now a teenager can use Final Cut on their iPad for $7/month, and subscribe only when they need it.
That pricing sounds fair. Unfortunately, I feel that's the exception. Adobe Dreamweaver CS6 was $400 [1]. Now Dreamweawer Creative Cloud is $250 per year [2]. So after 1.75 years, you've already taken a loss. [1] https://prodesigntools.com/products/adobe-cs6-pricing-list.h... [2] https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/plans.html
And for that $400 you got to run on one computer.
Office used to be $600 for one copy that could run on one operating system.
I can now get an Office 365 subscription for $99 a year for five users and I can use it on my Mac, a Windows PC, iPad, iPhone and all five users get 1TB of storage each
Re: 37signals Introduces "Once" - Buy software one time
#129Man, talk about a ship that has sailed. I was 100% anti-subscription pricing for a very long time. Eventually I realized, it's better for the software vendor and the customer. Final Cut Pro used to cost $999 upfront, now a teenager can use Final Cut on their iPad for $7/month, and subscribe only when they need it.
15 years ago most teenagers i knew had the full office suite, photoshop and most other softwares for free. I'm not gonna tell you how, but it's easy to imagine. Guess what, those people wouldn't have paid for a license anyway, so no real license money is lost. More importantly, it needs to be said that if you got an older computer you could just use an older version of the software, no problem. Now you can't do that…
Its always been an open question to me in the case of Adobe if rampant piracy in the 2000s helped rather than hinder them. If these teenagers went on to work in industry, they already knew the adobe suite inside out and likely ended up advocating the software and buying licenses in the workplace... As you probably rightly state, almost none of the folks pirating the software would have converted to real sales anyway.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://world.hey.com/dhh/turbo-8-is-dropping-typescript-701...
Meh. Dumb "my feelings or the highway" angles as usual.
It's true that for library maintainers that TypeScript has been somewhat annoying, where many are now moving back to JS with JSDoc based types, but I'm not sure why one would replace application level code with pure JS. Basecamp likely already use Rails for the logic so I guess they don't need that much typing on the frontend.
But yes, generally DHH seems too absolutist in his takes.