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Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

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Could we get some more context than this tweet (which doesn't really explain what's going on)?

I didn't feel old today until I jumped on HN and saw someone who didn't know what 'cracked' means in the context of PC games.

He knows what cracked means. I think you misunderstood.

Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

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Cracking was a 90s term for pirating software

Cracking is about removing anti-features, typically copy protections. It pairs well with pirating, but neither one strictly requires the other.

> Cracking is about removing anti-features

Anti what features? Piracy?

Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

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A No-CD crack might not be transformative enough to warrant copyright protection as derivative work in the US. But they could sue in a jurisdiction that is more likely to give them a favorable outcome. Handling of derivative works and the minimum threshold for copyright varies considerably between countries.

I don't think people on HN understand what a derivative work is, considering how often I see it referenced incorrectly. You can't make a derivative work without a license. That's why it's derivative. It derivates from the copyrighted work and is therefore within the domain of the copyright and under the control of the copyright's owner. A Harry Potter spin-off about Hermione (I don't know anything about HP, sorry in…

I'm not sure about american law but in EU (at least Sweden) you def get copyright to detivative work even if you don't have a license. If I create a derivative work based on Harry Potter the result will be that I have copyright to the derivative work BUT not to Harry Potter (I wish) so while I own the rights to my work I can't produce (etc) the work (at least not in a commerical capacity) because JK rowling owns the Harry Potter rights. However JK does not have the right to use my derivative work without a license from me.

A maybe more clear example is music. Songwriting is covered by copywrite. Singing is also covered by copywrite. If A writes a song and B sings the song without A:s premission it can be copyright infringment. However, A can not take a recording of B:s song and copy and sell it without B:s consent because B has the copyright to the performance (even if the performance was a copywright infringment).

Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

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Rockstar owns the copyright, they can do whatever they want with their games. It is rather odd however, and paints Rockstar in a very negative light as a trustworthy purveyor of binary distributed software. Do you want to receive l33t warez when paying for software? I expect reproducible binaries produced by a controlled toolchain from a responsible developer. Linux distributions have higher standards for binaries th…

> I expect reproducible binaries produced by a controlled toolchain from a responsible developer.

I would estimate the number of videogames published for Windows PCs matching all of these critera to be roughly 0.

Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

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Related story, I remember years ago as a kid I bought a Prince of Persia PC game at a yardsale (on a CD), but early on in the game there was a riddle where you needed a password to get through this door, it was some cryptic message of a few numbers. I don't remember the exact format but it turned out the riddle was instructing me to go to page X, line Y and character Z of the manual for the game! I remember being so…

I remember doing this for the original X-COM: UFO Defense. Actually I wonder how the Steam versions of these games work? Do they just include a PDF of the original manual?

Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

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I don't think people on HN understand what a derivative work is, considering how often I see it referenced incorrectly. You can't make a derivative work without a license. That's why it's derivative. It derivates from the copyrighted work and is therefore within the domain of the copyright and under the control of the copyright's owner. A Harry Potter spin-off about Hermione (I don't know anything about HP, sorry in…

>you cannot sell copies of your Hermione spin-off, because that'd be copyright infringement, because it is a derivative work But you can distribute it for free, as fanfiction. Also, a no-CD crack does not contain any of the original work. It's akin to a program that you can use to modify, say, your legally-purchased Harry Potter ebook in order to change all instances of "wand" to "wang"

Fan fiction is illegal, or at best in a deeply gray area, it's just that most people realize suing your super-fans is a bad move. There are exceptions of course, Anne Rice was famously super litigious over any attempted fan fiction of her characters which generated a lot of bad feelings online.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/88gqjz/anne-rice-really-hate...

Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

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Somehow I expected them to be founded since 1911, cracking those Analytical Engines.

It’s 0x777, making fun of all the l33+ 666 groups

666. My favourite error code to return when there’s a “wtf” error.

Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

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There is the matter of enforcement, however. If something is completely unenforceable, such as in this case where the owner is using a pirate groups bypass, then it may as well be permissible. It's not expressly permissible, but the perceived breach is also not enforceable, so the argument becomes a moot point. Also, the patches typically had no license terms attached to their usage, or if they did it came in the for…

I'm pretty sure that the lack of license terms doesn't make it a free-for-all, instead it means that there is no possible licensed use at all. If you pick up a copy of Photoshop and can't find the license for it, you don't get to go down to the street corner and sell bootleg copies. That defense won't hold when you're in district court fighting to stay out of federal prison, anyway. And while it's true that this will…

Practically (since no prosecutor is going to take this up on their own), you'd need someone dumb enough to affirmatively say "that's my circumvention tool that's illegal under the DMCA" in order to show standing for a civil case.

So even if there was a no commercial use license somehow, it feels kinda like jury nullification where it's not explicitly legal, but de facto legal because of structure of the rest of the judicial system.

Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

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I didn't feel old today until I jumped on HN and saw someone who didn't know what 'cracked' means in the context of PC games.

He knows what cracked means. I think you misunderstood.

Not much room to misunderstand, and if he knows what cracked means what's going on should be obvious.

Re: Rockstar is selling cracked game copies on Steam

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Does RAZOR1911 have a legal way to have a share of revenue since they are using his hard work?

Razor1911 is a cracking group from the mid 80s on... but it would be fantastic wouldn't it? :)

At least some did. CD Projekt Red got started as a cracking and translation group. At the time (Poland before the fall of the iron curtain) there wasn't actually anything illegal about what they were doing; copyright wasn't really a concept in their legal system at the time, particularly for software.
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