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Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by robjwells »

lars_francke wrote: post #102

Does anyone know where I can get a switch tester from that includes all these keys? I'm in Germany. I found some but they are not for the low profile ones. I found this: https://keycapsss.com/switchestester/switch-tester/174/kailh... but it's sold out.

KPrepublic have a tester that includes all four of the Glove80 switches (Brown, White, Red, Red Pro) [0] and also a cheaper one that excludes the Red Pro [1]. (I ordered the cheaper one after reading the review.)

[0] https://kprepublic.com/en-gb/products/kailh-choc-switch-test...

[1] https://kprepublic.com/en-gb/products/acrylic-switch-tester-...

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by justapcgamer »

ahoka wrote: post #118
henrik_w wrote: post #38

I had severe problems with RSI many years ago, to the point where I thought I had to give up programming alltogether. I also got an ergonomic keyboard, which helped, and an argonomic pen-like mouse. However, I would say that even more important in getting rid of my problems was the use of a break program. It reminds me to take regular breaks, and prompts me to to stretches throuhgout the day. The combination of these…

How much do you type a day to have problems? I have never felt limited by my typing speed or comfort during my career, but I understand that different people might have different workflows. For me it’s thinking, writing a few lines and start thinking again. One programmer guy I know who had RSI problems was actually writing way too much and overly verbose code and also literally banged on the keys instead of pressing…

I think its just genetics, some people are more inclined to experience RSI due to structure of wrists. I'm 22 and I started experiencing wrist pain during college and found that split keyboards are the solution for me to be able to do my work without pain.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by siva7 »

It's funny as i only use my laptop for work and then seeing on the other side all those colleagues with 4 monitors and fully customized split mech keyboards on a layout i've never heard of. We must be living in a different world.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by waynesonfire »

henrik_w wrote: post #38

I had severe problems with RSI many years ago, to the point where I thought I had to give up programming alltogether. I also got an ergonomic keyboard, which helped, and an argonomic pen-like mouse. However, I would say that even more important in getting rid of my problems was the use of a break program. It reminds me to take regular breaks, and prompts me to to stretches throuhgout the day. The combination of these…

I'm a huge fan of the Goldtouch V1 keyboard. I have been using it along with their fantastic pads my entire career. I have accumulated a surplus of these keyboards as I intend to use them until I'm unable to type.

I discovered them when I started my first job at HP-UX in Cupertino, CA and a bunch of people there were using them.

I also switched to Dvorak a few years before than.

I don't like their V2 offering, as an emacs user the caps lock key is gimped and I don't need the windows key near the ctrl / alt keys.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by nprateem »

wakeupcall wrote: post #119
deadlyllama wrote: post #101

I'm very happy with my Glove80. I started with a prototype 3D printed model last year: the creators are friends of mine, and I wrote the LED status display code for them. I also dropped the prototype down a flight of concrete stairs (sorry! It still works though). I now have a production model with the white clicky keyswitches. Ultra happy with it. I've been using Kinesis Advantage2s for a shade over two decades - th…

As a general question to anybody that used the Kinesis Advantage and switched to the Glove80: how's the thumb cluster? The double-length keys for bk/delete/enter/space allows a lot of vertical travel freedom on the hand. Instead of flexing the fingers I can just move the whole hand down and hit the lower row _very_ comfortably while not having to worry about the thumb at all. I've mocked a few pieces of paper to adva…

I find the bottom row easy to hit but find the top rows are awkwardly placed. I've got round this by using the top row as toggles for the momentary layers on the bottom row keys, so it's fine. I wouldn't want to press them as part of normal typing personally.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by lawn »

galkk wrote: post #70
nazgulnarsil wrote: post #20

I highly recommend low profile switches for those who haven't tried them. They weren't really available in many models until recently and they're a big step up from standard switches if you're more used to laptops.

Any specific recommendations for switches/key caps? Can I buy some to put into my zsa moon lander?

I personally love the lightest choc switches you can find.

But as other commenter said, they do not fit the standard switch slots.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by rewmie »

yyt88 wrote: post #44

I wonder if all those "ergonomic" designs really aim at the right corner of the solution space. What about targetted exercise of involved muscle groups and regular breaks to stretch and relax the tendons/joints/muscles/...? I mean, with our societies sedentary life style, surely exacerbated by programmers sitting for 10+ hours a day, I'm a bit doubtful that moving even less is the answer. What about doing a few simpl…

> I wonder if all those "ergonomic" designs really aim at the right corner of the solution space.

I don't think your question comes from the right corner of the problem space to begin with.

If you have a class of products which are linked with health problems in a subset of the population, and another set of problems that mitigate or eliminate said health problems in that subset of the population, then why should we complain about the products that are designed explicitly to protect your health?

And think about it: it your keyboard is causing health problems, why are you exploring solutions that involve perpetuating the root cause of your problem?

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by gigatexal »

lycopodiopsida wrote: post #113
gigatexal wrote: post #111

I wish I had seen this earlier. Probably a few hours before seeing this on HN I bought a Kinesis Advantage 360 from an EU retailer for nearly 700 euros (I got the palm/wrist rests). And I am still waiting on a Moonlander to try out as well but DHL customs is being difficult. I really do think this keyboard is interesting. My only concern is why not use the more mainstream cherry mx mechanism?

The reason is that mx switches together with keywell make a keyboard quit high, which is causing issues - you need either a desk which can go quite low, or a chair and monitor stands which can be adjusted quite high for an ergonomic position. I have a KA2 and Model100 and yes, it is a problem if you do not have adjustable desks. Choc switches allow to keep the profile low.

That makes sense. I will try out the moonlander and the kenesis and i might pick this up as well if i return both of the others. It's cheaper so that's awesome.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by layer8 »

yyt88 wrote: post #68
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While ergonomic keyboards are big part of some peoples fight against RSI, for many more using them is about comfort. After you get used to having tilted keyboard going back to normal one just feels tight and uncomfortable. Also for me big part about customizing your tools is exactly that - you get to customize your tools. I type professionally so it is insane to me when I see my colleagues working on some random lapt…

"Insane"? I type professionally too. On my laptop, in a myriad different settings. Sometimes in a coffee shop, sometimes on a quiet bench in a hallway, sometimes at home on my sofa, my kitchen table, and sometimes at my desk. I enjoy every minute of it and I'm having a blast. 11 years and counting. If it doesn't work for you then it doesn't mean it won't for anybody else. It's surely not "insane".

11 years isn't that long. Serious problems started for me after about 20 years.
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