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How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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If the learning is already complete then any homework seems like utterly unnecessary busywork.

There’s learning, and there’s practice. Both are necessary.

Practice during school hours is more than enough. Primary education is not so demanding that you need more to succeed.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Get up at 6am. Get kids ready for school. Help my wife with any chores around the house for a bit. Start working. Lift on my lunch break in my home gym. Back to work. Kids come home. Feed them. Help with homework. Do something with them outside weather permitting. Put them to bed, read to/with them. Get lunches ready for tomorrow. Load the dishwasher. Load the laundry. My turn to walk the dog. Be mentally and physica…

Exactly this. I have three kids and a dog. There is zero spare time. I typically sit down for the first time at 9pm at which time I'm so exhausted that learning is not really possible. I may get to read for 30 mins to an hour before I crash.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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There’s learning, and there’s practice. Both are necessary.

Practice during school hours is more than enough. Primary education is not so demanding that you need more to succeed.

In which case homework should be wholly unnecessary.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Get up at 6am. Get kids ready for school. Help my wife with any chores around the house for a bit. Start working. Lift on my lunch break in my home gym. Back to work. Kids come home. Feed them. Help with homework. Do something with them outside weather permitting. Put them to bed, read to/with them. Get lunches ready for tomorrow. Load the dishwasher. Load the laundry. My turn to walk the dog. Be mentally and physica…

Here's mine: Wake up at 4AM. Stretch Achilles (gets stiff when I sleep), make a coffee and check emails/prep for the day in my notebook. From 4:20 to 5AM I run 5K and then shower. From about 5AM to 7AM I work on my own stuff/learn/whatever. At 7AM I wake up the wife and help get kids ready for school. I walk with the kids to school at 8AM. From 8:30 to 3PM I work on my stuff and have lunch somewhere in there. I walk…

"Work on my stuff until 5-6PM". Nice. Slim chance for me.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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It's cheating to help a 7 year old understand how to do basic math? Because the alternative is them staring at a paper and writing random numbers down.

So what do they do in school all day?

They are exposed to the material on which the sorting and ranking will be done.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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>"For example, I’m commuting every day 2×45 minutes to my workplace and back home. I need 5 minutes to get to the train station with my bike, 10 minutes to wait for the (connecting) trains, 25 minutes actually on the trains, 5 minutes to get from the train to my working place" There's a big one right there. Time lost due to commute times are actually much longer than the door-to-door time. It's not just the 90 min th…

WFH is one solution, but it's not free in terms of collaboration costs. There's a reason no one thinks college is better remote, for example. Sure, it's fine for some jobs but it's not super obvious that it's a net positive for output. People can also live closer to work, or use other methods (biking, running, etc.) to combine exercise + commute. Many studies have indicate that people overestimate the happiness of a…

>There's a reason no one thinks college is better remote, for example.

You're still young and developing in your college years. By the time you're in the workforce at >21 years, you are already socialized and more fit to handle remote collaboration.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Just gonna say: my god I hate productivity hacking culture. No, I am not going to optimize in additional professional learning in my off hours. I have a life. And I'm allowed to have idle time where I spend it just being instead of doing. My existence isn't to be maximally productive at all times, and this type of hyper optimization isn't going to make me wealthier or happier. If you're learning for work, learn durin…

I agree much of this fall under "working for free" but it doesn't have to. I for instance, work as a web developer and really want to get into making games, which is a huge undertaking in itself. It requires deep, productive time of learning and experimentation, and I often find myself drained after work to tackle such activities.

However, I do feel like working through projects like this and coming out the other side with something tangible is a high like no other, and I despite how hard it might be, it's really invigorating and gratifying.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Practice during school hours is more than enough. Primary education is not so demanding that you need more to succeed.

In which case homework should be wholly unnecessary.

It is, unless you spend too much time in a lecture format with too little deep practice. Taking work home is not a good solution.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Get up at 6am. Get kids ready for school. Help my wife with any chores around the house for a bit. Start working. Lift on my lunch break in my home gym. Back to work. Kids come home. Feed them. Help with homework. Do something with them outside weather permitting. Put them to bed, read to/with them. Get lunches ready for tomorrow. Load the dishwasher. Load the laundry. My turn to walk the dog. Be mentally and physica…

The trick is to learn during your working hours. I generally subtract one hour each day from the time i do actual work for my company and put that time towards learning. You'd be surprised at how in the long run i'm actually doing much better than my peers. I think this is because fundamentally, there is a large percentage of work that is just muscle memory. I'm speaking as a senior software engineer but 30% of my wo…

This really is it. Most knowledge / white collar / software developers (not all) have downtime during the day. We are posting on HN during work hours. Its within the realm of reality to pare off an hour 3x a week to learn. Now I generally spend that hour doom scrolling, but if I was dedicated I could absolutely study, thats on me.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Just gonna say: my god I hate productivity hacking culture. No, I am not going to optimize in additional professional learning in my off hours. I have a life. And I'm allowed to have idle time where I spend it just being instead of doing. My existence isn't to be maximally productive at all times, and this type of hyper optimization isn't going to make me wealthier or happier. If you're learning for work, learn durin…

I agree much of this fall under "working for free" but it doesn't have to. I for instance, work as a web developer and really want to get into making games, which is a huge undertaking in itself. It requires deep, productive time of learning and experimentation, and I often find myself drained after work to tackle such activities. However, I do feel like working through projects like this and coming out the other sid…

Ah but that's a very different thing.

You're treating tech as a hobby and engaging with it accordingly.

This piece literally started with:

> My software developer colleagues often ask me where I do get all the time for reading all the tech books or articles, watching conference talks and listening to podcasts.

Immediately we, the reader, know this isn't about having fun in your spare time or learning and building purely for pleasure.

It's all about achieving, about being that person that other people look to and think "wow, where do they find the time to be so productive??"

If it were as you say, I'd have no issues with the piece at all.

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