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The Plumber Problem

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Post by Animats »

iamthemonster wrote: post #81

I witnessed the converse of this in the recent Mario Brothers movie. There is a scene where steam piping is about to overpressure and it shows a pressure safety valve lifting. Well that pressure safety valve is an accurately drawn ASME I BPVC open-bonnet PSV with test lever. The open bonnet is to expose the spring to air so it is kept cool and therefore has the correct force downwards on the seat. If you specify a cl…

Well, the Mario Brothers are plumbers, remember.

("Musta been a non-union job." - Super Mario Bros., 1993, looking at some pipework).

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Post by iamthemonster »

PcChip wrote: post #107
iamthemonster wrote: post #81

I witnessed the converse of this in the recent Mario Brothers movie. There is a scene where steam piping is about to overpressure and it shows a pressure safety valve lifting. Well that pressure safety valve is an accurately drawn ASME I BPVC open-bonnet PSV with test lever. The open bonnet is to expose the spring to air so it is kept cool and therefore has the correct force downwards on the seat. If you specify a cl…

That makes me want to watch the movie

The movie is great fun but its accurate ASME I BPVC code compliant pressure safety valves really are limited to a single 2-second scene I am afraid.

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Post by squeaky-clean »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #106
squeaky-clean wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The youtube genre of "Expert at XYZ reacts to XYZ scenes in TV/Movies" is a guilty pleasure of mine. Especially the medical ones.

I'm annoyed at them because they are often not as expert as they claim to be. Like "singing teacher reacts to " kinda thing.

Oh, I usually watch the ones where there's someone in the show doing chest compressions on a person's neck at 30bpm. Or where Dr. House makes some ridiculous prediction based on evidence that would be inaccurate in the real world.

Wired and Vanity have some good videos in the vein of "Forensic scientist reacts to CSI" and etc. GameSpot has a good one reacting to firearms in various video games. There's too many medical ones to mention. I don't think I've found any entertaining coding related ones yet.

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Post by iamthemonster »

genter wrote: post #119
iamthemonster wrote: post #81

I witnessed the converse of this in the recent Mario Brothers movie. There is a scene where steam piping is about to overpressure and it shows a pressure safety valve lifting. Well that pressure safety valve is an accurately drawn ASME I BPVC open-bonnet PSV with test lever. The open bonnet is to expose the spring to air so it is kept cool and therefore has the correct force downwards on the seat. If you specify a cl…

You sure that the artist didn't just choose it because the visible spring makes it look more interesting?

On reflection they might have just googled "steam safety valve" and copied the first image they saw, they probably didn't need an expert involved.

They hadn't insulated their piping, which would have led to condensate forming in deadlegs and causing steamhammer issues, but to be fair I don't believe the Mario Bros had designed or installed this system, and it was exploding at the time.

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Post by sverhagen »

YouTube regularly recommends me into Legal Eagle, which, among other things, reviews lawyer dramas. And it's curious how, within the span of an episode these can get very niche details very correct, while failing at other things (that may be less specialized and should have been hard to miss). It is clear that these dramas, or at least some of them, have consultants that know their stuff. So, to me, rather than a lack of expertise, it seems more like an internal clash of two camps, where the wins get divided up between the storytellers (scenarists) and the expert consultants.

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Post by bombcar »

sverhagen wrote: post #125

YouTube regularly recommends me into Legal Eagle, which, among other things, reviews lawyer dramas. And it's curious how, within the span of an episode these can get very niche details very correct, while failing at other things (that may be less specialized and should have been hard to miss). It is clear that these dramas, or at least some of them, have consultants that know their stuff. So, to me, rather than a lac…

Nobody cares if the expert asks to change a minor detail.

But if he asks to change a major plot point because it’s unrealistic, they won’t do it.

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Post by bombcar »

iamthemonster wrote: post #81

I witnessed the converse of this in the recent Mario Brothers movie. There is a scene where steam piping is about to overpressure and it shows a pressure safety valve lifting. Well that pressure safety valve is an accurately drawn ASME I BPVC open-bonnet PSV with test lever. The open bonnet is to expose the spring to air so it is kept cool and therefore has the correct force downwards on the seat. If you specify a cl…

Reminds me of the YouTube channels that try to play what the animated piano or guitar is playing, and it’s almost always wrong. But sometimes, in surprising situations, it was animated correctly.

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Post by bombcar »

ballenf wrote: post #45

The technical faults with movies don't bother me anymore, because my expectations are basically zero. What bothers me immensely more is the same but with human choices, motivations and character. There's no reason to try to understand characters as they increasingly make the most superficial or arbitrary decisions, pulled along by plot necessities rather than driving the story. The humans in recent movies feel like w…

I still don’t like the stupid Hans plot in Frozen. I cannot make that character make sense no matter how I convolute myself. I just have to ignore it entirely.

Re: The Plumber Problem

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Post by bombcar »

nonameiguess wrote: post #17
clarada wrote: post #11

This applies to the real world as well. I've had a couple of times when I've been closely involved in an event that was covered in the national newspapers. Both times the stories were presented with major factual inaccuracies and with clear bias. I've brought this up in conversation a few times over the years and quite often a similar experience was reported by others. Yet everyone still seemed happy to trust the acc…

Actually, this is an even bigger one after working on classified intelligence projects. Being able to watch in real time what is actually happening in some place a news reporter is speculating about and get wildly wrong makes you despair to the point of wondering what they're ever right about. It's even worse to come on a place like Hacker News and see the kinds of wildly wrong things people believe or speculate on,…

That doesn’t bother me as much when people get exceptionally easy to verify completely open facts wrong. If they can’t even bother fact checking to the point of a simple google search, why should I trust anything else in the article?

Re: The Plumber Problem

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Post by bombcar »

JohnMakin wrote: post #73

Every computer movie with a hacker ever: hacker opens an excel spreadsheet and types in a bunch of gibberish "I'm in the mainframe."

I recall slashdot absolutely flipping out that the Matrix used a genuine SSH vulnerability.

Why, here it is!

https://slashdot.org/story/35036

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