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Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by danielvaughn »

ww520 wrote: post #83
danielvaughn wrote: post #76

This might be a naive question, but are driverless lanes being considered? For instance we have bike lanes all over the US. It might make sense to make a similar investment for AI-friendly lanes to help transition to driverless transportation.

They are called train track.

Well I mean yeah, one of the benefits of trains is how efficient the track system is. So in a sense yes I'm talking about extending the notion of a train track and applying it to commonly used roads. If we get to a point where the majority of vehicles are capable of being driverless, then an automated lane would be much more efficient and would probably reduce traffic congestion.

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Post by lotsoweiners »

ericmay wrote: post #80
danielvaughn wrote: post #76

This might be a naive question, but are driverless lanes being considered? For instance we have bike lanes all over the US. It might make sense to make a similar investment for AI-friendly lanes to help transition to driverless transportation.

It'll be a dark, sick twist that driverless cars will get their own protected lanes in many American cities before bikes do.

Why though? We have plenty of bike lanes in my city and I see hundreds of cars for every bike I see. Usually those bike riders are either kids who ride on sidewalks or dudes in spandex who don’t seem to be going anywhere.

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by burkaman »

dmazin wrote: post #113
burkaman wrote: post #104

> On Friday night, as many as 10 Cruise driverless cars stopped working near a music festival in San Francisco’s North Beach, causing traffic to back up, according to The San Francisco Chronicle, which reported that the company had blamed “wireless connectivity issues.” They just stop if they lose service?

I mean, that's a good failsafe.

It's a good failsafe if there's a human driver there to take over. I don't think they should be on the road unsupervised if they can't operate without connectivity.

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by alistairSH »

kdmccormick wrote: post #105
rchaud wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are bike lanes all over the US? Since when? Also, isn't Musk setting up Hyperloop, or was that another publicity stunt?

Since the past decade or so, but especially the past couple of years: https://nextcity.org/urbanist-news/how-five-u.s.-cities-buil... Re. Hyperloop: some have said it was a stunt to attack public support for CA high speed rail (which would reduce CA's dependency on cars): https://twitter.com/parismarx/status/1571628269555826688?lan... EDIT: Re-reading your comment, I realize that you're challenging GP's assertion tha…

67 miles per city.

For reference, two of the cities metioned are Austin with ~2500 miles of roads and Denver with 1900 miles.

It's a start. But that's all it is.

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by alistairSH »

robswc wrote: post #120
shakow wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would we want to spend so much money to transition to driverless transportation? Just take PT if you don't want to drive.

Not OP, my issue with public transport is mostly the "public" part. At least on the DC metro, its not uncommon to see people getting harassed and MPD doing nothing about it. I've personally seen a drunk man pissing in the corner and watching it get carried by momentum through half the car. Sure, it's probably like a 1/50 trips you see something bad happening... but its still enough for me to prefer personal transport…

The answer to those problems is more public transit (in the US, it's mostly working class - if we make it normal across the socio-economic spectrum, people will demand more of it), more bike lanes, and safer spaces for pedestrians.

If it took you ~10 minutes to get to the store, it's probably ~2 miles by car. Maybe a bit further. That's easily done on a bicycle (not for large boards, but easily doable for moderate grocery runs or other regular errands). Or, a bus/tram - might take a few minutes more waiting for it to arrive at each end, but still not an hour (if it runs regularly enough, which it obviously doesn't).

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by alistairSH »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #85

The scary part of this is it went through construction cones and flaggers with stop signs to end up in the concrete. Basically, this thing went right through a construction zone without stopping. Granted, people are this dumb every single day. But who is liable for the fines here?

Do we know that the paving zone was properly signed/controlled? The single photo in the article has a cone on the outside of the zone, but we don't see the beginning of the zone.

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by danielvaughn »

alistairSH wrote: post #127
robswc wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP, my issue with public transport is mostly the "public" part. At least on the DC metro, its not uncommon to see people getting harassed and MPD doing nothing about it. I've personally seen a drunk man pissing in the corner and watching it get carried by momentum through half the car. Sure, it's probably like a 1/50 trips you see something bad happening... but its still enough for me to prefer personal transport…

The answer to those problems is more public transit (in the US, it's mostly working class - if we make it normal across the socio-economic spectrum, people will demand more of it), more bike lanes, and safer spaces for pedestrians. If it took you ~10 minutes to get to the store, it's probably ~2 miles by car. Maybe a bit further. That's easily done on a bicycle (not for large boards, but easily doable for moderate gr…

I fail to see how more public transit would solve the drunk-guy-pissing-in-the-corner issue.

Re: Cruise vehicle gets stuck in wet concrete while driving in San Francisco

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Post by stronglikedan »

burkaman wrote: post #123
dmazin wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, that's a good failsafe.

It's a good failsafe if there's a human driver there to take over. I don't think they should be on the road unsupervised if they can't operate without connectivity.

At a bare minimum, the onboard systems should know how to "pull over" like a human driver would if their vehicle was malfunctioning.
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