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Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by Sunhold »

_6atf wrote: post #114
idiotsecant wrote: post #89

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Serious question - Why? Assuming no actual CP was used in the training of the model who is being harmed? Ickiness should not imply illegality unless the ickiness is at the expense of someone else. Swing your fist as much as you want so long as you avoid my nose, and all.

> Serious question - Why? Assuming no actual CP was used in the training of the model who is being harmed I don't think an AI model could generate realistic CP without being trained on examples, which would mean there is literally no way for this assumption to be true.

If it's trained on pictures of children and adult porn, the model can easily combine the two concepts. Even if you remove one of these from the training set, it can be finetuned back in to the model with very little effort.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by _6atf »

Sunhold wrote: post #121
_6atf wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Serious question - Why? Assuming no actual CP was used in the training of the model who is being harmed I don't think an AI model could generate realistic CP without being trained on examples, which would mean there is literally no way for this assumption to be true.

If it's trained on pictures of children and adult porn, the model can easily combine the two concepts. Even if you remove one of these from the training set, it can be finetuned back in to the model with very little effort.

Based on other topic interpolations I don't think this works, especially not easily.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by GaggiX »

_6atf wrote: post #122
Sunhold wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's trained on pictures of children and adult porn, the model can easily combine the two concepts. Even if you remove one of these from the training set, it can be finetuned back in to the model with very little effort.

Based on other topic interpolations I don't think this works, especially not easily.

If I can finetune the model on my face and the model will be able to generate my nudes (even if there is no nude of mine in the dataset), then it can works easily with children too.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by _6atf »

GaggiX wrote: post #123
_6atf wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on other topic interpolations I don't think this works, especially not easily.

If I can finetune the model on my face and the model will be able to generate my nudes (even if there is no nude of mine in the dataset), then it can works easily with children too.

Do you understand that adult bodies and child bodies look different?

Please show me a model trained on adult humans being fine tuned to generate a child human (fully clothed).

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by denvrede »

That looks pretty nice but I guess the HW required or the time you have to wait to iterate on these things (if you don't use external services) is quite high. Is there an estimation / idea when a "normal" person can play around with these things with a lot of operational or capital investment?

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by MarcoZavala »

samstave wrote: post #73
CSSer wrote: post #42

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Some of this is straight up soft-core child porn. This is fucked up.

Yep. There needs to be a REALLY FUCKING STRONG effort to kill all CP AI anything. Full stop. AI should automagically report any attempt at CP.

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Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by GaggiX »

_6atf wrote: post #124
GaggiX wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I can finetune the model on my face and the model will be able to generate my nudes (even if there is no nude of mine in the dataset), then it can works easily with children too.

Do you understand that adult bodies and child bodies look different? Please show me a model trained on adult humans being fine tuned to generate a child human (fully clothed).

>Do you understand that adult bodies and child bodies look different?

And does my face compare to the ones in the dataset.

>Please show me a model trained on adult humans being fine tuned to generate a child human (fully clothed).

That's not something I can easily train for you ahaha

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by _6atf »

GaggiX wrote: post #127
_6atf wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you understand that adult bodies and child bodies look different? Please show me a model trained on adult humans being fine tuned to generate a child human (fully clothed).

>Do you understand that adult bodies and child bodies look different? And does my face compare to the ones in the dataset. >Please show me a model trained on adult humans being fine tuned to generate a child human (fully clothed). That's not something I can easily train for you ahaha

> And does my face compare to the ones in the dataset.

Yes, exactly! You're fine-tuning something with more data. How do you fine-tune adult porn models to create CP without CP data? If you do what you're saying you'll have adult bodies with child faces.

> That's not something I can easily train for you ahaha

Can you show me any example where such a thing has worked? I don't believe such an example exists.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by wsintra2022 »

kleiba wrote: post #100
gochi wrote: post #70

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They've brought up 3 ways in which it can be abusive (trained on abusive materials, created for the intent to abuse, or continuing self abuse rather than seeking help), but argued those should be separate discussions vs my thinking which is that these are linked to determining if such material is abusive.

First of all, thanks very much for these comments - all too often, threads quickly deteriorate into flame wars or emotional finger pointing, and I'm quite happy that this exchange of (opposing) opinions has remained very civil on such a hot topic. I just wanted to clarify that I did not mean that these topics are all unrelated. When I wrote that these are separate discussions to be had, I was rather trying to imply t…

“Neither am I a pedophile myself, nor do I know anyone who is“ Glad you cleared that up for the readers at home.

Re: Opendream: A layer-based UI for Stable Diffusion

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Post by GaggiX »

_6atf wrote: post #128
GaggiX wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Do you understand that adult bodies and child bodies look different? And does my face compare to the ones in the dataset. >Please show me a model trained on adult humans being fine tuned to generate a child human (fully clothed). That's not something I can easily train for you ahaha

> And does my face compare to the ones in the dataset. Yes, exactly! You're fine-tuning something with more data. How do you fine-tune adult porn models to create CP without CP data? If you do what you're saying you'll have adult bodies with child faces. > That's not something I can easily train for you ahaha Can you show me any example where such a thing has worked? I don't believe such an example exists.

>Can you show me any example where such a thing has worked? I don't believe such an example exists.

You can use Stable Diffusion.

>If you do what you're saying you'll have adult bodies with child faces.

The body will be similar to petite people or similar to lolicon content traslated into "real life", it's not a far guess by the model.

The model do the same thing as with finetuning with my face, it understand that my images are the images of an adult male face and the knowledge will be added to the higher understanding of adult male and this include nudity, when you finetune on children it understand it's a human and it will added to the higher understanding of humans (And that includes nudity in various forms).

Maybe the model wouldn't be perfect with children, but it can't be with my nudes either, maybe I don't have nipples and the model doesn't know it; but the guesses that the model does are usually good enough to be considered realistic or plausible.

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