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Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Post by imdoor » Sun, Aug 13, 2023, 10:50 AM UTC

jorvi wrote: post #117

imdoor wrote: post #35

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Doesn't match my experience at all. I love that packages are always up to date. Also, in my experience, having a rolling release cycle leads to significantly fewer issues than having to upgrade everything at once. Using Arch has been a net time saver for me compared to something like Ubuntu where I've wasted a lot of time fighting package upgrade issues and trying to get newer package versions than the distro provide…

> something like Ubuntu where I've wasted a lot of time fighting package upgrade issues The irony. You’re aware Arch its policy is to release packages in a broken state and just put it in the release log? They even very publicly state that. If you want an actually stable rolling release, stick with OpenSUSE.

> You’re aware Arch its policy is to release packages in a broken state and just put it in the release log? They even very publicly state that.

Can you please provide some sources/examples?

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Post by fweimer » Sun, Aug 13, 2023, 10:57 AM UTC

ftaghn wrote: post #101

skykooler wrote: post #86

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I'm not aware of many fanless desktops outside of specialty systems.

Most are DIY, anything that is low wattage can be turned fanless if you buy some parts and build it yourself. But OP was daft with his answer. As someone who doesn't like the Apple ecosystem and only uses PC, I can only admit defeat when it comes to power efficiency. There is no way you could make a true fanless system run as well as Apple's efficient SOCs. PC parts that are as powerful generate a lot more heat and e…

Is it really that bad?

When semi-idle (just typing in a browser), turbostat on a i9-10900T system shows values that fluctuate around these values:

        PkgWatt CorWatt GFXWatt RAMWatt
        4.86 3.89 0.15 1.57
        2.21 1.40 0.02 1.41

Mostly it's around the second line with the lower values. Of course, when under load, PkgWatt can go up to close to 100W (depending on the system tuning), but if the cooling solution can handle that for a sufficiently long time, is this really a problem? After all, this CPU, while somewhat dated, is not actually slow, especially for multi-threaded workloads.

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Post by fragmede » Sun, Aug 13, 2023, 11:04 AM UTC

Topgamer7 wrote: post #78

bergkvist wrote: post #37

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Also the ability to connect to external displays is missing - which is a pretty big one.

Although I would bet USB OTG HDMI works

I bet DisplayLink works.

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Post by fragmede » Sun, Aug 13, 2023, 11:09 AM UTC

solomatov wrote: post #95

fragmede wrote: post #59

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Asahi changes are being done in such a way as to be upstreamable, at which point any kernel derived off of mainline will pick up their fixes, so eventually detault Ubuntu will run on Apple Silicon. Expect a custom kernel that can be setup with a bit of work before then though.

Are you aware of any easy to install distros with such kernels?

None yet!

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Post by jasoneckert » Sun, Aug 13, 2023, 12:47 PM UTC

user1205394 wrote: post #87

frankjr wrote: post #74

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Just curious, is there something similar to AUR on Fedora? It's a big selling point for me.

Fedora has "Cool Other Package Repositories" or COPR. They're a place for community members to build and publish arbitrary RPM packages. Some are well curated and high quality, others less so.

Thanks for mentioning this! I heard of COPR a while back but never really explored it until this morning after I saw your mention. It definitely could be considered an alternative to AUR/PKGBUILD for Fedora (and it has >24,000 packages already hosted on https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/).

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Post by frankjr » Sun, Aug 13, 2023, 2:30 PM UTC

user1205394 wrote: post #87

frankjr wrote: post #74

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Just curious, is there something similar to AUR on Fedora? It's a big selling point for me.

Fedora has "Cool Other Package Repositories" or COPR. They're a place for community members to build and publish arbitrary RPM packages. Some are well curated and high quality, others less so.

Do I understand it correctly that it also builds the user provided packages? I guess that's similar to [0] but having something (semi?) official is pretty nice.

[0] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unofficial_user_repositorie...

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Post by nsonha » Sun, Aug 13, 2023, 3:10 PM UTC

Topgamer7 wrote: post #78

bergkvist wrote: post #37

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Also the ability to connect to external displays is missing - which is a pretty big one.

Although I would bet USB OTG HDMI works

wait so external displays work with a type-c to type-c connection?

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Post by lor_louis » Sun, Aug 13, 2023, 4:23 PM UTC

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #44

jwells89 wrote: post #36

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In my limited experience, how Arch works out depends on how you're using Linux. If it's your daily driver and you stay on top of updates it's probably going to be fine, but on the other hand if it's a secondary OS on a multiboot system or a VM or something that only gets updated occasionally, chances of things breaking are much higher and something like Fedora might make more sense.

I dug some old computers out of the attic recently. The one that had not been updated since 2021 only took around half an hour to get up to speed, and that was with a metric ton of packages installed. The other one seemed to have been updated last time in 2015. It didn't even have updated certificates for https, so it couldn't sync the keyring. After trying for a while I just gave up and reinstalled Arch from a USB s…

> old computers

> not updated since 2021

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Post by coldtea » Sun, Aug 13, 2023, 4:34 PM UTC

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #67

coldtea wrote: post #63

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It's not like 6300 is anything but statistical noise compared to the number of Linux users out there.

The number of Arch Linux users is nothing but statistical noise compared to the number of Windows users; would you say that nobody uses Arch?

In that context, if, that is, the comparison involved Windows user share, then yes.

Hell, even in a Linux-only context too. I mean, an exchange like:

- We're shipping this enterprise software in packages compatible with RHEL and Ubuntu, would it be worth our while to also devote resources to specifically support Arch too?

- Nah, nobody uses Arch

While not accurate to the maximum possible precision (something like say 5% of Linux users is not the same as 0%), it would still be quite understandable...

Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions

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Post by semi-extrinsic » Sun, Aug 13, 2023, 6:39 PM UTC

lor_louis wrote: post #128

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #44

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I dug some old computers out of the attic recently. The one that had not been updated since 2021 only took around half an hour to get up to speed, and that was with a metric ton of packages installed. The other one seemed to have been updated last time in 2015. It didn't even have updated certificates for https, so it couldn't sync the keyring. After trying for a while I just gave up and reinstalled Arch from a USB s…

> old computers > not updated since 2021

The computer itself was from 2011, and it was last used in 2021.