No pricing === you are the product
With google you are the product whether you pay or not. Some of their most valuable data comes from the companies who use google for all of their email, calendar and documents.
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eSignature Beta for Google Docs and Google Drive
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#122Last time I had to implement Okta integration for DocuSign at my employer it was absurdly expensive. If Google does this right then I’d be ever so happy.
DocuSign on the SSO Tax site: https://sso.tax/
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#123First this is a great idea. Finally there is some movement on making Google Docs better. I haven't used the feature, but from reading the blog post it is sad to see how poorly Google executes on products, even at the beta stage. Some context: I've built such a product before and eSigs are more simple than they seem as long as you do a few things. 1) You need to verify somebody's identity. Sending them an email with t…
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#124First this is a great idea. Finally there is some movement on making Google Docs better. I haven't used the feature, but from reading the blog post it is sad to see how poorly Google executes on products, even at the beta stage. Some context: I've built such a product before and eSigs are more simple than they seem as long as you do a few things. 1) You need to verify somebody's identity. Sending them an email with t…
> And then we have what Google is offering: > From the screenshots, I think it is only a fake wet signature. I'm not sure how valid that is Welcome to 2023! I've bought a house, incorporated a company, signed a work contract and contracted a lawyer just based on Adobe mobile wet signatures on PDFs.
Same here. I don't think I've signed anything by hand other than a restaurant bill or the occasional time I'm handed a document in person within the last 8 years or so.
Adding to your list, even government documents as well as those related to my medical practice and licensing/registration stating "electronic signatures are not accepted" have taken the wet signature from Apple.
Presumably this is all valid?
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#125Locked account.
I can only imagine the pain this will cause people when they try to execute/sign a contract, and Google randomly locks your account … preventing you from logging in.
Re: eSignature Beta for Google Docs and Google Drive
#126First this is a great idea. Finally there is some movement on making Google Docs better. I haven't used the feature, but from reading the blog post it is sad to see how poorly Google executes on products, even at the beta stage. Some context: I've built such a product before and eSigs are more simple than they seem as long as you do a few things. 1) You need to verify somebody's identity. Sending them an email with t…
> And then we have what Google is offering: > From the screenshots, I think it is only a fake wet signature. I'm not sure how valid that is Welcome to 2023! I've bought a house, incorporated a company, signed a work contract and contracted a lawyer just based on Adobe mobile wet signatures on PDFs.
2023? All my signatures at least in the last decade were fake wet signatures. All leasing docs, employment docs, and banks...
I use the Preview App that comes standard on OSX. You scan a signature on a piece of paper with your webcam. Then you can just "paste it" anywhere, I even give it a dark blue shade.
I had a single person give me shit and say they needed "ink on paper" insisting me to print/sign/scan. I just ran the PDF file through a website that makes it look like it was scanned with some imperfections and tilt. I wouldn't be able to tell it myself.
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#127We use DocuSign here and the amount of time I spend hopping back and forth (exporting and importing) between Google and DocuSign is annoyingly high. If Google were to enter this space... I would personally welcome it.
Personally I found the entire design and the organization of files/docs/sheets between Google Drive and other apps in the Google ecosystem is confusing as hell. There was no way to follow a specific hierarchy and the commenting/reviewing system felt clunky. Wish I never had to use this Google suite of products if it wasn't for my employer.
Maybe you should give it another look. Hierarchy eas terrible because it was originally designed to have tags instead of folders and these were prone for cyclic references. When they implemented folders they implemented them on top of tags and things never worked out great.
It got a lot simpler since they nuked tags in favor of folders.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Europe, including the UK and EEA, there is the eIDAS regulation, which outlines the requirement for eSignatures (amongst other things). In order for a signature to be recognised, it has to meet one of three trust levels 1. Electronic signature: this is basically something that puts a distinguishing mark on a file. 2. Advanced electronic signature: these use cryptography according to the specifications set out in t…
This isn't the case for most agreements. Most agreements have no 'form' requirements - ie. you could write it on a napkin at a restaurant. As long as both parties believe they are making a legally binding agreement, then they have made a legally binding agreement. Use of technology doesn't change that. The only time a court would throw out a signature made online is if the online platform was somehow deceiving the pa…
The issue isn't necessarily the form of the agreement, it's verifying the identity of the signatories.
If you can't see the other person signing the agreement, you need to verify that the right person is signing it. It's much the same issues that exist with simple passwords versus 2FA; shared accounts, piracy, identity theft, etc.
eIDAS is a set of standards for verifying identity that is backed by law. It allows businesses to follow protocols (some similar to 2FA) with the assurance that it will be held up in court.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not like DocuSign does any sort of identity verification. I signed up for a free account and they validated my email address, that's it. That would be the only identifier associated with my signature, so Google actually has more information than them.
Doesnt matter. Ultimately Docusign will show up in court to defend their product and the contract. Google can't even bother to provide an automated response
What makes you think Google won't show up in court? They do kinda neglect their free end users, but go to great lengths to appease enterprise clients (see: Google Cloud Platform)
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#130We use DocuSign here and the amount of time I spend hopping back and forth (exporting and importing) between Google and DocuSign is annoyingly high. If Google were to enter this space... I would personally welcome it.
I think if any enterprise reevaluated their e-signature needs they'd decide they don't need it at all. There's just better ways to track consents and contracts.