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Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by rootusrootus »

dingosity wrote: post #53
kstrauser wrote: post #7

"WHEREAS, NightOwl app enables Users to share internet traffic by modifying their device’s network settings to be used as a gateway for internet traffic. Additionally, the User’s device acts as a gateway for NightOwl app’s Clients, including companies that specialize in web and market research, SEO, brand protection, content delivery, cybersecurity, etc." Fuck that with a chainsaw. Burn it. Burn it with fire.

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> Hah! 4 downvotes! That's all you can muster! Come at me, bro!

AFAIK, 4 is the maximum number of downvotes that will be recorded for a single post. It's possible I'm wrong, but occasionally I write things that do not receive universal adulation and never has one gone below -4.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by alexpotato »

crazygringo wrote: post #21
kstrauser wrote: post #7

"WHEREAS, NightOwl app enables Users to share internet traffic by modifying their device’s network settings to be used as a gateway for internet traffic. Additionally, the User’s device acts as a gateway for NightOwl app’s Clients, including companies that specialize in web and market research, SEO, brand protection, content delivery, cybersecurity, etc." Fuck that with a chainsaw. Burn it. Burn it with fire.

So, usually I associate super-shady things with hiding the fact that they're super-shady. I'm thankful, but also genuinely curious, why they put this explicitly in their TOS. It just kind of seems to be like the kind of person/org who would implement this shady stuff in the first place, would also actively hide that they're doing it. Is there a legal reason that protects NightOwl by explicitly putting it in the TOS?…

This reminds me of the Jerry Seinfeld joke:

"I bought the Superman Halloween costume and on the side of the box it said 'do not attempt to fly'.

I always wondered about the kid who was:

- dumb enough to think they could fly

BUT

- thought to themselves 'wait, let me check the box first. Oh! Good thing I checked!'

The TOS sounds a little bit like the "do not attempt to fly" warning.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by dingosity »

otterley wrote: post #106
hoofhearted wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NordVPN does this as well. Google and Amazon own large blocks of IP ranges for their cloud services, so it’s fairly easy to detect bots built on AWS and Google cloud. On the other hand, Verizon also owns a large block of IP addresses that they give out to their residential customers. NordVPN takes advantage of the fact that people like Netflix and Amazon don’t want to block out Verizon’s ip ranges, and disguise netwo…

Do you have a link to more information somewhere? I'd like to know more about what NordVPN is doing, if true. It's certainly not what their customers expect.

I agree with you if you're talking about tech savvy users. But I think NordVPN has enough users who don't know what's going on under the hood that they might not understand the implications of forwarding potentially copyright-hostile packets.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

#125

Post by prmoustache »

dingosity wrote: post #76
kstrauser wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Selling ads is one thing. Selling my Internet connection, which violates the ToS of most ISPs, is a vastly different situation.

How So? I mean, NightOwl doesn't have an arrangement with your ISP, they have an arrangement with you. I'm not sure your ISP is going to delete your account because you didn't know some app was doing something shady. If the standard is every app user has to know what each app does under the hood, then there's going to be a lot of people who won't be able to match that standard.

No but you could be SWATed because someone sold child porn through your IP.

Regardless of how you can prove your innocence, it can be traumatic for you and your family, you can say goodbye all your computers and phone, you'd have to deal with the gossip from neighbours and relative and possible social exclusion, and possibly your couple/mariage as well.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by wouldbecouldbe »

omgJustTest wrote: post #40
crazygringo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, usually I associate super-shady things with hiding the fact that they're super-shady. I'm thankful, but also genuinely curious, why they put this explicitly in their TOS. It just kind of seems to be like the kind of person/org who would implement this shady stuff in the first place, would also actively hide that they're doing it. Is there a legal reason that protects NightOwl by explicitly putting it in the TOS?…

Probably compelled by Apple, or removal from store.

There is no way reviewers would accept that if they read it

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

kstrauser wrote: post #7

"WHEREAS, NightOwl app enables Users to share internet traffic by modifying their device’s network settings to be used as a gateway for internet traffic. Additionally, the User’s device acts as a gateway for NightOwl app’s Clients, including companies that specialize in web and market research, SEO, brand protection, content delivery, cybersecurity, etc." Fuck that with a chainsaw. Burn it. Burn it with fire.

Name and shame the developers and the company.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by [deleted] »

dingosity wrote: post #76
kstrauser wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Selling ads is one thing. Selling my Internet connection, which violates the ToS of most ISPs, is a vastly different situation.

How So? I mean, NightOwl doesn't have an arrangement with your ISP, they have an arrangement with you. I'm not sure your ISP is going to delete your account because you didn't know some app was doing something shady. If the standard is every app user has to know what each app does under the hood, then there's going to be a lot of people who won't be able to match that standard.

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Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by dingosity »

Astronaut3315 wrote: post #54
callalex wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you deny the need for UPnP entirely? This is a confusing statement.

What do you actually need it for? I’ve had it disabled for ages, have no port forwards defined and have never had any issues.

+1. I also have had it disabled for ages. What features am I missing out on? When I look at the UPnP docs it talks about uses for which I have other mechanisms.
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