Some comments I have on this post: > Worse yet, I know that Cloudflare knows I have those certificates. Why? Because it asked for them! Not really. Cloudflare notices your browser has TLS authentication available and asks you for it. That's really annoying, but part of the protocol spec. Your browser won't send this information unless you pick a certificate and hit OK. Disable your ad blocker and you'll find that man…
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#122Some comments I have on this post: > Worse yet, I know that Cloudflare knows I have those certificates. Why? Because it asked for them! Not really. Cloudflare notices your browser has TLS authentication available and asks you for it. That's really annoying, but part of the protocol spec. Your browser won't send this information unless you pick a certificate and hit OK. Disable your ad blocker and you'll find that man…
I've seen the misconception a lot; people seem to think that random websites can grab your MAC like they can get your IP address.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anecdotaly... I use Firefox and have noticed the Cloudflare interception pages verifying I'm human appearing more often recently. Usually it is all automatic and isn't a big deal, but I have noticed a increase in how often I see these the past week.
I use a VPN 99% of the time and I definitely see more cloudflare on my systems (as opposed to when I'm bored and surfing in the library) and see the "checking" screen. It does seem to be a lot better than last year though when it seemed I was getting a captcha every time I turned around
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sadly, the fact a given site works for you or me is no guarantee it works for someone else. These bot detection systems tend to use all manner of imprecise statistical heuristics and weird fingerprinting. Perhaps AegirLeet has a graphics card that a popular web scraper pretends to have. Maybe they're in a suspicious timezone. Maybe they've installed a font usually only found on a different operating system. Maybe I'm…
Fingerprinting is scarily accurate now, strangely. https://fingerprint.com/
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#125Hi there, I'm the PM for Cloudflare's challenge platform. I'd love to look into what the cause of the problem is, so you don't see these difficulties. > Cloudflare detected the high frequency of requests and denials (but not their faulty loop that caused this pattern of requests, of course), and tagged my browser as suspicious. I can tell you at least that we don't penalize users for this looping behavior, so this wo…
Could it have something to do with that ticket extension I'm using (Privacy Pass, looks like it's called)? I don't know if it does anything.
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#126Hi there, I'm the PM for Cloudflare's challenge platform. I'd love to look into what the cause of the problem is, so you don't see these difficulties. > Cloudflare detected the high frequency of requests and denials (but not their faulty loop that caused this pattern of requests, of course), and tagged my browser as suspicious. I can tell you at least that we don't penalize users for this looping behavior, so this wo…
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#127So many privacy nuts use Chrome and don't realize this: > What about Google Chrome? > I tried all of the above in Firefox. So I naturally tried to access the same page in Google Chrome to see if I’d still be blocked. Thankfully, I wasn’t. > But of course I wasn’t because Chrome doesn’t have the same privacy- and security-enhancing designs that Firefox does. Chrome will happily collect as much private information abou…
I’m no Google fanboy but I wasn’t satisfied with this: > Chrome will happily collect as much private information about me and my browsing history and share them with select parties, as needed What information does Chrome provide in this scenario that Firefox doesn’t? It feels like backward logic: it worked in Chrome therefore it must be because Chrome gave extra info. In reality it could be a whole bunch of things, s…
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#128So many privacy nuts use Chrome and don't realize this: > What about Google Chrome? > I tried all of the above in Firefox. So I naturally tried to access the same page in Google Chrome to see if I’d still be blocked. Thankfully, I wasn’t. > But of course I wasn’t because Chrome doesn’t have the same privacy- and security-enhancing designs that Firefox does. Chrome will happily collect as much private information abou…
I’m no Google fanboy but I wasn’t satisfied with this: > Chrome will happily collect as much private information about me and my browsing history and share them with select parties, as needed What information does Chrome provide in this scenario that Firefox doesn’t? It feels like backward logic: it worked in Chrome therefore it must be because Chrome gave extra info. In reality it could be a whole bunch of things, s…
Firefox on Android was still working, though, loathe as I am to put passwords of any significance on my phone. Doesn't directly address your question, which I'd like to know the answer to as well.
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#129Hi there, I'm the PM for Cloudflare's challenge platform. I'd love to look into what the cause of the problem is, so you don't see these difficulties. > Cloudflare detected the high frequency of requests and denials (but not their faulty loop that caused this pattern of requests, of course), and tagged my browser as suspicious. I can tell you at least that we don't penalize users for this looping behavior, so this wo…
1. IP addresses are to be used for packet routing. Certainly not for assigning "behavior scores" to users in the background. IP addresses say nothing about your visitors, my IP address could have been a complete stranger's IP address yesterday.
2. Deciding who can access half the web based on their TLS signature achieves nothing in the long run except reinforce browser monopolies, and goes completely against the spirit of the open web.
I guess now I have to use Chrome for browsing the web from home. Yes, I do run a crawler-like bot as a hobby project, I got what I was asking for. (Funnily enough, it still works if I just emulate Chrome's TLS signature). But I also have friends who have done absolutely nothing of sorts (no technical skills), and still got caught up in this latest ban wave.
Let's be honest here. Your service has likely caused millions of people harm who one day to the other are suddenly blocked from half the WWW - not just nerds, who can get around that one way or the other, real users who just got unlucky and now are potentially blocked from accessing websites required for their daily lives (welcome to the 21th century). This is not a one time problem, it has been going on for years; this time it just came too suddenly for too many people. And this kind of harm is a logical conclusion to the heuristics you use for determining who can view a website.
Never mind that it's ridiculous how a single company from outside my country has the power to decide on whether I can use the web or not. That's kind of on website owners unconditionally giving this power to CF anyway.
Now, allow me to return to purchasing proxies from shady sources for myself, so I can keep using Firefox. Thanks and keep up the good work.