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Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by [deleted] »

pierrefar wrote: post #90
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious why cannot selectively block using IP address instead of user-agent string. According to HTTP specification, UA is not a required header. There is certainly no technical requirement for it in order to process HTTP requests. Of course, any website could block requests that lack a UA header. I never send one and it's relatively rare IME to see a site require it, but it's certainly possible.

This is explained more in the article I referred to, but briefly: Brave delegates crawling to normal Brave browsers, so it's a huge IP addresses pool, not a single IP address or range. Also, these search crawls by the browser do not identify themselves beyond the Brave standard UA header, namely a plain Chrome user-agent string.

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Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #86
pierrefar wrote: post #71

The major problem with Brave search is their position about indexing and licensing content against the wishes of the website publisher. Their robot does not identify itself, meaning the publisher cannot use the standard robots.txt to block its crawling if the publisher so wishes. Incidentally, the robots.txt file has been used in court cases litigating if a search engine is legal or not. Even worse, they state that B…

Curious why cannot selectively block using IP address instead of user-agent string. According to HTTP specification, UA is not a required header. There is certainly no technical requirement for it in order to process HTTP requests. Of course, any website could block requests that lack a UA header. I never send one and it's relatively rare IME to see a site require it, but it's certainly possible.

According to Brave Privacy Policy, participation in the Web Discovery Project is "opt-in". How many Brave users have opted in to sending data to Brave.

How many Chrome users have opted in to sending data to Google.

Sometimes uninformed consent is not actually consent. These so-called "tech" companies love to toe that line.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by reitanqild »

soundnote wrote: post #98
reitanqild wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also think it is great that browsers seek out alternative sources of funding. My problems with Mozilla are: - Misuse of money: the browser team have brought in lots of money over the years (we talk billions) and the foundation is milking it dry. If the income created by the browser had stayed with the browser team they would have had funding for years to come. - Being dishonest: Mozilla has sought donations for Fir…

> they more or less lied about their relationship with Pocket. Can you elaborate? I don't really remember much about those kinds of things. > - Nerfing the extension API. This I think was necessary if you want a modern, secure browser. Wouldn't be against a more extensive extension API that double-checked with the user wrt access to more dangerous permissions, which is partly what the current ones do already.

The implementation of the old API was a problem: extension authors could do almost whatever they wanted.

Today however Mozilla stalls at giving us back basic primitives like for example a programmatic way to hide the top tab bar when an extension provide an alternative tab bar like Tree Style Tabs or Sideberry.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by esperent »

NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #114
mg wrote: post #34

As far as I can tell, that makes for 5 independent image search engines on the web: Baidu Bing Brave Google Yandex You can compare their results on this search comparison page I maintain: https://www.gnod.com/search/?engines=p,o,br,n,q&nw=1 (If you want to also search image libraries like Flickr and Pexels, click on "more engines" to select all places you want to search)

does searx count as independent?

It's not a search engine, I think? It's a search aggregator - it combines results from other search engines.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by esperent »

hipsterstal1n wrote: post #70
metadat wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should check these assumptions, Mozilla has been hard at work enshittifying their entire portfolio. Instead of giving the public features they actually want (the most secure, performant, and predictable web browser), the current CEO has directed the focus towards revenue-generating features. My god, there is so much telemetry in FF now, and it's tricky to hunt down all the about:configs to disable it. Not friendl…

> the current CEO has directed the focus towards revenue-generating features. They literally can't win. One group of vocal users is outraged by how much money Mozilla takes from Google while the other half screams about how Mozilla is trying to gasp gain additional revenue streams that isn't taking money from their biggest competitor. > Do you really want Mozilla to get pinged with your IP address every time your bro…

> No, but I really don't give a shit either.

Nobody's asking you to personally fight for everything. Life truly is too short for that. All we're asking for is your tacit support, or failing even that, your abstinence from the conversation.

I don't personally have time to look after stray dogs in my area, for example. But I sure as hell don't come out with "I looked in the mirror and decided I don't give a shit" when I meet someone who does care about that. Not online and not offline. Instead I'll be supportive and tell them how amazing they are for spending their valuable time on this.

Even if it's something I don't personally care about at all, or even if I think it's a massive waste of time but I can see it's important to someone else, I'd still never tell them that I don't give a shit.

Is it too much to ask you to have the same respect for people who care about important issues like online privacy? If it's not important to you, that's fine! Go be somewhere else instead of interrupting people who do care about this. There's about 500 million other conversations happening on the internet at this very second. Surely one of them is something you actually do care about enough to engage with in a positive way?

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by metadat »

hipsterstal1n wrote: post #70
metadat wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should check these assumptions, Mozilla has been hard at work enshittifying their entire portfolio. Instead of giving the public features they actually want (the most secure, performant, and predictable web browser), the current CEO has directed the focus towards revenue-generating features. My god, there is so much telemetry in FF now, and it's tricky to hunt down all the about:configs to disable it. Not friendl…

> the current CEO has directed the focus towards revenue-generating features. They literally can't win. One group of vocal users is outraged by how much money Mozilla takes from Google while the other half screams about how Mozilla is trying to gasp gain additional revenue streams that isn't taking money from their biggest competitor. > Do you really want Mozilla to get pinged with your IP address every time your bro…

The thing is about Mozilla of today is that the leadership isn't committed to the fundamentals -- privacy, security, functionality, and control by the end user.

At this point, Brave is a more promising bet than MZ.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by firejake308 »

esperent wrote: post #107
mg wrote: post #34

As far as I can tell, that makes for 5 independent image search engines on the web: Baidu Bing Brave Google Yandex You can compare their results on this search comparison page I maintain: https://www.gnod.com/search/?engines=p,o,br,n,q&nw=1 (If you want to also search image libraries like Flickr and Pexels, click on "more engines" to select all places you want to search)

I accidentally found a good test string for image search a few months ago: Bamboo sign Give it a try on Google images. You'll see that nearly all the results are x-rays of people with ankylosing spondylitis, a form of which is commonly referred to as "bamboo spine ". I tested out brave search - it correctly shows 90% signs however it does also show a few spines. Google still shows incorrect results months later. It's…

Actually, the Google result is not incorrect. In radiology, an X-ray of a patient with ankylosing spondylitis is said to display the "bamboo sign", a real medical term describing the appearance of the backbones. Google is showing the result that is more relevant to thousands of medical students (such as myself) who are trying to understand a radiology report, but that may not be relevant to someone who just wants a sign made out of bamboo

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by vGPU »

pierrefar wrote: post #71

The major problem with Brave search is their position about indexing and licensing content against the wishes of the website publisher. Their robot does not identify itself, meaning the publisher cannot use the standard robots.txt to block its crawling if the publisher so wishes. Incidentally, the robots.txt file has been used in court cases litigating if a search engine is legal or not. Even worse, they state that B…

> The Robots Exclusion Protocol is a mechanism for publishers to discriminate between what users and crawlers are allowed to access, and discriminate between different crawlers (for example, allow Bingbot to crawl but not Googlebot).

To me as a search engine end user, this kind of behavior is undesirable. Why would I want a website to selectively degrade my experience because of my choice in search engine or browser?

Brings back horrible flashbacks of “this website is only compatible with IE6”.

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by vGPU »

fsflover wrote: post #73
mg wrote: post #34

As far as I can tell, that makes for 5 independent image search engines on the web: Baidu Bing Brave Google Yandex You can compare their results on this search comparison page I maintain: https://www.gnod.com/search/?engines=p,o,br,n,q&nw=1 (If you want to also search image libraries like Flickr and Pexels, click on "more engines" to select all places you want to search)

One more, which is self-hosted, peer-to-peer and FLOSS: https://yacy.net

Yacy search results/ranking are worse than useless

Re: Brave Search launches own image and video search

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Post by gettodachoppa »

I like Brave and trust Brendan Eich, but what happens when they cash out and the next owners decide to monetize all this data?

The current policies don't allow it, sure. But then there will be gradual changes to those policies, and all sorts of dark patterns that make 99% of users leak their data (think "enabled by default but opt-out").

Is there any guarantee against this?

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