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Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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Post by lancesells »

paul7986 wrote: post #57
dakial1 wrote: post #34

Point #1: This bait-and-switch tactic shouldn't be allowed by consumer regulations (Not in the US, but here in Brazil it would be a no-no) as in the end Amazon is tricking it's use base into paying for the Fire TV as a great deal, when in the end they will pay more for streaming as those costs that Amazon is putting on the streaming services will be paid by them in the end. #2 Wouldn't this movement be (potentially)…

Umm no need to pay for many or any streaming service then that consumer problem is solved just watch the free outlets like YouTube. Hollywood's biggest competitor is content creators on Youtube, Tiktok, etc ... my bet is they will need to compete and many paid offerings will consolidate and become free / less expensive to compete with all the free content creators on YouTube, Tiktok and etc. If you look at where the…

> free outlets like YouTube

Free and YouTube are not the same. YouTube either has ads or you're paying. Ads are not free. They take your time, which is in limited supply for everyone on the planet. The use of an adblocker does make it free.

I've never used Tiktok so I have no idea if it has ads and what the frequency is.

> i have a hard time watching long form content

I don't know if this is good or bad. I'm older and think this loss of attention is very much a net bad to thinking, but maybe the new way of devouring content turns out to be a plus. I always wonder if 15 second videos turn to 10 seconds, and then 5 seconds, and then 1 second over the next 100 years. Is the future just a video from the A Clockwork Orange rehabilitation scene and everyone is happy about it?

This is why billionaires who could pay to have someone wipe their ass invest in longevity startups.

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Post by hamandcheese »

mschuster91 wrote: post #40
andrewmackrodt wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have (all of) those services but they're not like for like comparable for any services using Widevine, e.g. Amazon, Netflix and Disney. A Linux install will give you access to L3 content using the browser (usually limited to 720p but you can get a 1080p stream out of Netflix using a browser extension). I think the poster was having a bit of a joke though.

I'm really surprised that no one has bothered (or managed) to create an open-source TEE emulator. I mean, there's a ton of different ARM CPUs around there, and it's all ARM under the hood, so it should be possible to create a virtual TEE/TPM and provide it transparently to a VM?

Given how readily available 4K HDR content is on the high seas, I assume Widevine is cracked.

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Post by jacooper »

LargeTomato wrote: post #80
kccqzy wrote: post #66

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I'm in the Google ecosystem but I agree with the sentiment. Apple has no financial incentive to collect my data. Since they've begun differentiating themselves through their emphasis on privacy I think they have a financial incentive to protect my privacy.

They do, apple sells ads too.

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Post by drdaeman »

LargeTomato wrote: post #80
kccqzy wrote: post #66

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I'm in the Google ecosystem but I agree with the sentiment. Apple has no financial incentive to collect my data. Since they've begun differentiating themselves through their emphasis on privacy I think they have a financial incentive to protect my privacy.

> Apple has no financial incentive to collect my data

They simply understand most of your data isn't worth anything, it's a liability rather than an asset. They know it'd be a waste of energy and customer relations to peek into most of it, so they don't bother. They collect what they can readily use (such as your purchase history - they're pretty open about it), and don't care about the rest (spying on your conversations or photos in hope to build a marketing profile is still a cyberpunk fantasy).

And because they don't do this, there's no reason not to capitalize it by advertising themselves as some privacy guardians. Not doing so would be a waste.

Google and Facebook are failing, because they bought this "big data big brother big money" meme which they rode cheerfully while the hype was high, and now it's time for a realization. When contenders who say "we don't track you" perform no worse (or even better) than all those data hoards that were supposed to predict future, it's a sign that immense worth of personal data was overhyped.

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Post by yomlica8 »

hinkley wrote: post #12
squigglydonut wrote: post #5

Hey people. Did we forget that everyone has access to the internet? It's not like a physical store!!

Turns out we would in fact download a car.

Remember when Jesus downloaded all those loaves and fishes and got crucified?

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Post by vladvasiliu »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #75
vladvasiliu wrote: post #62

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What I'm more surprised, is that since most of the decoding and stuff is done on the GPU anyways, and the GPU has to be HDCP compliant, why can't they just directly send the stream to the GPU as is, tell it where to display it, and be done with it.

Well, then you couldn't have a play button, or pause button, or video text over the top of the video; unless there was some way of turning the GPU into a hardware-level compositor... which is generally not recognized as a good idea.

> unless there was some way of turning the GPU into a hardware-level compositor... which is generally not recognized as a good idea

I admit this isn't a domain I'm particularly fluent in. As a matter of fact, I thought that was already the case with all the talk about "GPU acceleration" of desktops. I think there was an HN post about Windows a few days ago, with people commenting on how all this changed between Windows 95 and 8/10.

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Post by michaelmrose »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #79
duped wrote: post #61

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> Why can't you just plug a Linux box into your TV and use that? Because most streaming services don't support 4k HDR on Linux. And if I'm spending thousands of dollars for my TV to play 4k HDR content, I want to be able to watch it.

To be fair, it's not the streaming services fault, because Linux (er, Wayland and Xorg) does not support HDR. We're only just starting, on the bleeding edge, to have HDR with proper color management on Linux.

It is entirely their fault its not that they don't support HDR its that they don't support resolutions higher than 720p

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Post by hamandcheese »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #79
duped wrote: post #61

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> Why can't you just plug a Linux box into your TV and use that? Because most streaming services don't support 4k HDR on Linux. And if I'm spending thousands of dollars for my TV to play 4k HDR content, I want to be able to watch it.

To be fair, it's not the streaming services fault, because Linux (er, Wayland and Xorg) does not support HDR. We're only just starting, on the bleeding edge, to have HDR with proper color management on Linux.

It is also the streaming services fault because they limit the resolution on Linux to 720p in most cases.

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Post by ygjb »

thefurdrake wrote: post #84
speedgoose wrote: post #58

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I also enjoy spending time on shady websites with scams ads and virus. That will teach Netflix and Apple.

I don't spend any time on shady websites with scams, ads, and viruses, and I surf the high seas for video content with regularity. It's very easy to do safely, and in this day and age, it beggars belief that this comment was made in good faith. Stop spreading misinformation.

It's not really misinformation though. Most vuln researchers aren't burning browser 0-days targetting pirates, but many piracy sites host malicious content, even if that content isn't looking to deliver malware through browser vulnerabilities.

There is a significant segment of the internet that thrives in the gutters between paid services, straight up piracy sites, and actual "dark web" sites that require TOR or other specialized access. The restreamers that live in those gutters are questionable at best, straight up illegal at worst, and fund themselves through fraudulent ads, or legit ads for sketchy or dangerous services and sites.

It is entirely possible to use those sites safely, just like it's also possible to navigate dark alleys in major urban centres in the late hours, but that doesn't make it a low-risk activity.

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