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After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by vGPU »

maccard wrote: post #79
traceroute66 wrote: post #23

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> other nations have many talented developers Yes there are other nations that have talented developers. But anywhere that has genuinely talented developers, the developers will still want a decent salary. I'm not going to name names, but if you are thinking about the "outsourcing nations", then I don't know about you, but I think most of us here have experienced the poor quality coding output from those developers.…

> I'm not going to name names, but if you are thinking about the "outsourcing nations", then I don't know about you, I hate this crap. Some of the absolute worst code I've seen in my career was written by US programmers working out of tech hubs, as is some of the best code. > But anywhere that has genuinely talented developers, the developers will still want a decent salary. You're assuming that all "genuinely talent…

>some of the worst

Sure, but code put out by US coders I’ve hired has been consistently better than code that has been outsourced outside of the US.

Obviously, there are “diamonds in the rough” occasionally, but skilled people tend to get snapped up by a recruiter willing to file an immigration form for them very quickly.

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by pillefitz »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #12
pillefitz wrote: post #11

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In most countries for the majority of developers, $235k is a LOT of money and enough to finance a startup for the first two years or so with 2 developers.

Good luck taking on Adobe with 2 engineers.

https://www.photopea.com/ started as a hobby project of a single guy and is surprisingly close to at least the core functionalities of Photoshop, certainly better than most open source applications.

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Post by vGPU »

wiseowise wrote: post #91
hgsgm wrote: post #73

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No, 1 stellar dev for 5 years. https://www.photopea.com/

Photopea dev hasn't worked a day in your run of the mill company. You won't find devs like that on a market.

> Master's degree in theoretical computer science / artificial intelligence

Yeah, that’s definitely not your standard coder.

Previous thread where he posts:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26768550

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by vGPU »

true_religion wrote: post #101
reaperducer wrote: post #83

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The discussion is specifically about American salaries, so yes, the position of the dollar sign matters when someone is trying to brag about the quality of their work.

They are talking about American salaries so they can us that money in India. The US is in the subordinate position here.

> can us that money

Can ask?

Can use?

Can what?

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by vGPU »

hgsgm wrote: post #77
hotpotamus wrote: post #57

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Yeah, I always found this to be an utterly strange convention. Do you say, "that'll be dollars one hundred", when you tell someone a price? Would you write, "I'm lbs200"? I suppose it does give away the cultural difference, but this is one where the Indians (and a lot of others) get it right.

$566 is right. SI and everything else got it wrong. Most significant figures should come first. Unit is the most significant figure. "Five hundred...." is meaningless. "dollars five hundred..." is a useful preliminary approximation.

When I think about it, I have to agree.

It would make for a fast mental shortcut in preparation. For example: you need to move an item. How much does it weigh?

Grams… ok, pocket

Kilograms… might need to put it in the trunk.

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by mcdonje »

itronitron wrote: post #113
mcdonje wrote: post #50

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I haven't heard of Graphite. But yeah, Inkscape, Gimp, Dark Table, Blender, etc. World class programs. There's no need for this.

As someone that has used three of those applications, and actively uses two of them I think simply having documented workflows for how to produce certain industry standard outputs from the programs would be of great benefit. If the kickstarter campaign just produces some utilities to support that I think it would benefit a lot of artists.

This is a good point. Anything to lower the barrier to entry, and UI is the biggest complaint I keep hearing.

I don't get many of the UI complaints because I have always used Inkscape, so I have the same problem but in reverse. So, I get it.

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by kakwa_ »

traceroute66 wrote: post #23
phpisthebest wrote: post #19

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This type of attitude is exactly why silicon valley is primed for failure The bloat and the expense of silicon valley is going to be their downfall. plenty of regions in the US and other nations have many talented developers that are willing to work for far less and make a far better product than what you get for silicon valley wages

> other nations have many talented developers Yes there are other nations that have talented developers. But anywhere that has genuinely talented developers, the developers will still want a decent salary. I'm not going to name names, but if you are thinking about the "outsourcing nations", then I don't know about you, but I think most of us here have experienced the poor quality coding output from those developers.…

> I'm not going to name names, but if you are thinking about the "outsourcing nations", then I don't know about you, but I think most of us here have experienced the poor quality coding output from those developers.

I've experienced "poor quality coding outputs" caused by outsourcing in general... regardless if it was abroad or not.

With properly hired employees, in my experience, what they output is actually quite impressive both qualitatively and quantitatively. And their average salary is a fraction of mine, which is in turn a fraction of a US one (I'm West European).

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by kakwa_ »

vGPU wrote: post #123
wiseowise wrote: post #91

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Photopea dev hasn't worked a day in your run of the mill company. You won't find devs like that on a market.

> Master's degree in theoretical computer science / artificial intelligence Yeah, that’s definitely not your standard coder. Previous thread where he posts: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26768550

In Europe at least, developers having a Master's degree (~5 years of tertiary education) or equivalent is fairly common. From the stats I could find, that's roughly 50% of developers.

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by herbst »

wiseowise wrote: post #82
herbst wrote: post #38

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No idea about Paint.Net but there is not a single thing i could name that I am missing with Gimp. The only downside of Inkscape is that it doesn't properly open and save the most recent Adobe formats other than that I also have no idea why I would need anything more than what Inkscape offers. Sure the Adobe tools have a lot to explore, a lot of buttons and options hidden in millions of submenus. But a good portion of…

> No idea about Paint.Net but there is not a single thing i could name that I am missing with Gimp. > The only downside of Inkscape is that it doesn't properly open and save the most recent Adobe formats other than that I also have no idea why I would need anything more than what Inkscape offers. Good for you. I can assure you that you'll find thousands of creative workers that will find what's missing from those too…

> That's why GIMP and Inkscape are industry standards that displaced Adobe tools.

Depends where you go. If you go to a CCC event or a Linux shop I am sure they are.

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