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Mindfulness-based programs show promise in reducing psychological distress

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lynx23 wrote: post #91
barrysteve wrote: post #63

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It is strange. I wouldn't come to a tech site to air the counter-tech opinion and I wouldn't anticipate a fair and balanced response.

Wait, I couldn't even survive without my smartphone, being blind and all. Given that context, if a person deeply emersed in tech to actually get things done during the day says they think not everything should be solved with an app, that is a counter-tech opinion? And yes, I sort of deliberately put this comment here to see how HN users react if their believes or their bussiness model are seemingly "attacked".

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Post by astrange »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #80
astrange wrote: post #65

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> User counters 13000 word meta study by simply stating the opposite without giving any arguments, sources or studies. Well, it's quite true that sometimes instead of developing stress resilience you should simply get rid of the source of the stress.

Yes but that’s a trivial claim.

I think it's the kind of obvious thing you still need to remind yourself of.

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Post by Reasonabl »

carvink wrote: post #100
Knee_Pain wrote: post #18

If you want a free mindfulness app you should consider searching for the one developed by the US Department of Veteran Affairs on your platform's app store. It usually ranks very low on the list because not many people know about it and because all the other apps market themselves heavily. Unlike all the garbage apps which ask you for subscriptions and DLCs just to play 10 minutes of audio, every single thing is free…

Also free and relevant - a link to WHO's guide for "unhooking from difficult thoughts and feelings". There's audio you can download. It's not even an app. https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/9789240003927 Here's more detail about how it was tested. https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/releases/2022-apri...

This is excellent and to the point. Thanks for sharing.

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Post by hitekker »

unmole wrote: post #47
Knee_Pain wrote: post #18

If you want a free mindfulness app you should consider searching for the one developed by the US Department of Veteran Affairs on your platform's app store. It usually ranks very low on the list because not many people know about it and because all the other apps market themselves heavily. Unlike all the garbage apps which ask you for subscriptions and DLCs just to play 10 minutes of audio, every single thing is free…

Link to Play Store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gov.va.mobileh...

I'm not sure how useful this app is. Scanning the comments down-thread, the people preaching mindfulness seem to struggle to practice it. I thought the whole point was to help a person be self-aware, but I see resentment and rage bubbling up unfiltered.

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Post by amriksohata »

ShamelessC wrote: post #50
toshk wrote: post #11

Mindfulness took one small technique out of the Buddhist system that feels rational & scientific. It kind of works. But the corpus of Buddhism is what makes it powerful. And this is hard to make palatable for the West. The main goal of buddhism is giving you meaning & joy in life despite of stress or tragedy. Very important aspects of Buddhism that make the whole much more powerful are: - Living & acting out of compa…

You seem very fond of making huge generalizations about people based on their country of origin. The "western way" is only (strictly) in opposition to Buddhism in the narrative you are subscribing to. The reality is that many Americans are acutely aware of just how toxic aspects of mainstream American culture. It is probably best to approach debate from this point of view, particularly if you want to convince people…

and for completion that buddhist philosphy was taken from hindu scriptures which detail the reasoning for what we call "mindfulness"

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Post by maximus-decimus »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #116
maximus-decimus wrote: post #114

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A ton of people don't go to the gym or sleep enough because they feel they don't have enough time. I'm just so confused by the question. It's well documented that parents are sleep deprived and it's a common "joke" that in college you can only pick 2 out of 3 : good grades, a social life or sleep. There's actually no upper limit to how long you can spend just on your studies.

The average American watches three hours of TV every day.

People are not averages though. My parents are retired and watch 6+ hours of tv a day. I don't even have cable.

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Post by fuzztester »

rramadass wrote: post #119
fuzztester wrote: post #16

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>My teachings are from Tibetan kind, which is more mystical & compassionate oriented Any links or book names to read more about this?

1) Words of My Perfect Teacher: A Complete Translation of a Classic Introduction to Tibetan Buddhism by Patrul Rinpoche translated by Padmakara Translation Group. 2) Essential Mind Training: Tibetan Wisdom for Daily Life translated by Thupten Jinpa.

Thank you.

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Post by guerrilla »

yadingus wrote: post #111
guerrilla wrote: post #41

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> Stress is all about perception. No, stress is actually physiological. What your saying is limited to specific sources of stress.

The mind is the brain and the body. Stress is generated by the mind when contacting external objects, or when reliving past trauma. There is no such thing as an external source of stress. You can't measure how much stress an object or situation is objectively emitting, because it is a response generated by the mind itself. As such it can only be examined by the mind itself, and with that it can be mastered.

I didn't say anything about external sources of stress. I said sources of stress. External events cause stress in the body which can be measured physiologically and neurologically. The mind can be a contributing factor but it is absolutely not necessary. Injuries that you're entirely unconscious of can cause significant levels of stress which are measurable.

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Post by yadingus »

guerrilla wrote: post #128
yadingus wrote: post #111

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The mind is the brain and the body. Stress is generated by the mind when contacting external objects, or when reliving past trauma. There is no such thing as an external source of stress. You can't measure how much stress an object or situation is objectively emitting, because it is a response generated by the mind itself. As such it can only be examined by the mind itself, and with that it can be mastered.

I didn't say anything about external sources of stress. I said sources of stress. External events cause stress in the body which can be measured physiologically and neurologically. The mind can be a contributing factor but it is absolutely not necessary. Injuries that you're entirely unconscious of can cause significant levels of stress which are measurable.

> Injuries that you're entirely unconscious of can cause significant levels of stress which are measurable.

The unconscious is the mind too.

Body and mind are interdependent, without mind the body would be dead.

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Post by guerrilla »

yadingus wrote: post #129
guerrilla wrote: post #128

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I didn't say anything about external sources of stress. I said sources of stress. External events cause stress in the body which can be measured physiologically and neurologically. The mind can be a contributing factor but it is absolutely not necessary. Injuries that you're entirely unconscious of can cause significant levels of stress which are measurable.

> Injuries that you're entirely unconscious of can cause significant levels of stress which are measurable. The unconscious is the mind too. Body and mind are interdependent, without mind the body would be dead.

> The unconscious is the mind too.

No, I think this is meaningless. What you're refering to is the brain. Positing a subcoscious mind adds nothing to the explanatory model since everything this supposed entity does is already done by the brain and pretty well understood at that. Occam's razor. You're stuck in old Cartesian metaphysics (dualism and parallelism) which has been superceded by better scientific undetstandings for quite a while now.

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