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Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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I mentioned this in the other WEI thread and I’ll do it here again: Instead of simply flailing our collective arms around complaining about an evil corporation, has anyone written to the respective competition authorities (such as the FTC in the US or CCI in India) about the potential anticompetitive effects of this proposal?

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Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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Perhaps you mean Flutter ?

Hiroshi Lockheimer once confirmed that Fuchsia at this stage (to be exact, 4 years ago) is more of testbed for OS technologies that cannot be readily integrated into Android. It is quite absurd to say that Fuchsia is a competitor against Android. It is more close to Midori with a slightly clearer path to productization.

And in the meantime it landed to the Nest Hubs ... I think Google will try to abandon Android.

Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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While that's a very nice saying, and I appreciate you applying in this context, what you're basically saying is we can never ever assess any organization as strong whatsoever, since every organization that breaks up seems strong at some point.

That's not what was said at all in context, and I do not appreciate you putting words in my valid comment. You dismissed the original argument with your own personal truths.

You didn't really make a comment -- you just dropped in an Asimov quote. And xNeil's interpretation of the relevance of that comment matched my intuition. If you had some other intent with that comment, maybe you should clarify?

Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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Its sad for me to see Google being herded in this direction over the last few years. Google was one of the main push behind an open web thorough 2000s-2010s as they wanted data for search and when everything was open they had access to everything. But as new web 2.0 companies came about like facebook that started siloing the internet it started changing things. I have been anti facebook for this reason alone not its data mining etc but because it was the reason the web started to change where instead of websites a lot of companies started building facebook pages with the data not being available unless you are logged in to facebook.

Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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Its sad for me to see Google being herded in this direction over the last few years. Google was one of the main push behind an open web thorough 2000s-2010s as they wanted data for search and when everything was open they had access to everything. But as new web 2.0 companies came about like facebook that started siloing the internet it started changing things. I have been anti facebook for this reason alone not its…

Yes. Wasn't Google also one the main forces behind PWAs? Google also introduced so many new web APIs (even WebUSB!) in an attempt to make web apps competitive with native apps and their native APIs.

To resolve this conundrum, Google as a whole cannot be said to be "for" or "against" the open web. Instead, Google's infamous internal infighting means that you can only say some parts of Google are for the open web, others are against, and sometimes one has an upper hand.

Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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Trying to reach official authorities is a good idea. I will quote and extend part of my call to action I did in an other thread - ban Google all together in your personal life. No chrome and no excuses. Stop the bullshit or leave this profession. Use startpage, duckduck or whatever for searching. - develop with and for firefox and friends only, introduce usability problems for chrome - employ the same tactics as goog…

> show a popup urging users to download firefox, provide a link to download or page with more explanation. Tell that you detected that their current chrome has security and privacy risks and that you recommend to take action immediately. Average user is easily scared into action. If I recall correctly, this was Google's approach with Chrome.

And is the same tactics Microsoft uses with Edge. Try and download Chrome on edge, and you'll have Microsoft begging you not to download it.

Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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> show a popup urging users to download firefox, provide a link to download or page with more explanation. Tell that you detected that their current chrome has security and privacy risks and that you recommend to take action immediately. Average user is easily scared into action. If I recall correctly, this was Google's approach with Chrome.

So were the other items in the "employ the same tactics as google." list.

That's what I get for skimming the post, lol.

Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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LineageOS is a great illustration of how Google is winning. Years ago I could use LineageOS or Cyanogenmod as my primary phone just fine. Now it's very hard to do that if I want to be able to use an increasing number of apps (banking comes to mind). And now I won't be able to bank with Firefox, either.

Try e/OS/ indeed ... it works for me and many others.

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Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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I mentioned this in the other WEI thread and I’ll do it here again: Instead of simply flailing our collective arms around complaining about an evil corporation, has anyone written to the respective competition authorities (such as the FTC in the US or CCI in India) about the potential anticompetitive effects of this proposal?

My thoughts exactly. These GitHub protests, while emotionally satisfying, do not work. Google does not care and they are already drunk on monopolist power.

Contact info for antitrust authorities:

US:

- https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/report-antitrust-violation

- antitrust@ftc.gov

EU:

- https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/antitrust/contact_en

- comp-greffe-antitrust@ec.europa.eu

UK:

- https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tell-the-cma-about-a-competition...

- general.enquiries@cma.gov.uk

India:

- https://www.cci.gov.in/antitrust/

I could not find an easy contact method for filing a complaint for the CCI, but it looks like this is the process?

- https://www.cci.gov.in/filing/atd

Canada:

- https://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/frm-e...

I'm happy to share what I've sent to the FTC if others want to use it as a template.

Re: Google vs. the Open Web

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I mentioned this in the other WEI thread and I’ll do it here again: Instead of simply flailing our collective arms around complaining about an evil corporation, has anyone written to the respective competition authorities (such as the FTC in the US or CCI in India) about the potential anticompetitive effects of this proposal?

Trying to reach official authorities is a good idea. I will quote and extend part of my call to action I did in an other thread - ban Google all together in your personal life. No chrome and no excuses. Stop the bullshit or leave this profession. Use startpage, duckduck or whatever for searching. - develop with and for firefox and friends only, introduce usability problems for chrome - employ the same tactics as goog…

Going to do this. This is brilliant!

-> let your customers know that your service for non-chrome users is cheaper. Money motivates.

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