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Re: Plane – Open-source Jira alternative

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Post by sanitycheck »

anthonyskipper wrote: post #72
pydry wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The closer you are to agile the more basic your ticketing system needs and vice versa. You could probably do without one at all even.

^ You nailed it. The only issue tracker you need today comes with your source code repo. Both github and gitlab are not only more than sufficient, they are arguably better because the stripped down natures keeps people from doing silly things like all the jira anti-patterns.

I wish.

A client of mine decided to ditch Jira last year. Now what they do is use a much simpler system but with a ton of manual wrangling going on constantly. Lots of duplication across boards, most tickets are in the wrong state, nobody knows who's supposed to be handling any given task. I'm mostly trying to stay away from it.

Your theory works if there are only developers, and they are all competent. Throw the usual mix non-dev staff into the mix along with the and it's a mess.

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Post by shagie »

fndex wrote: post #81
dboreham wrote: post #80

It would be nice if someone implemented a clone of Bugzilla functionality using modern tech. Jira is the wrong thing to copy imho.

Bugzilla still exists. And if you think something is the wrong thing to copy, just copy the "right" thing yourself.

One of the problems of Jira is that it allows you to make any workflow for its issues.

Bugzilla had a "this is how it's done, and that it is" attitude to bug tracking workflow - it wasn't configureable. As such, it couldn't be perverted into a dozen gates with different approvals needed for each gated step.

It's really easy to copy Bugzilla's structure into Jira. It is very difficult to keep management from changing it into something else in Jira.

Re: Plane – Open-source Jira alternative

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Post by neilv »

Hamuko wrote: post #120
neilv wrote: post #117

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I've had good luck with getting GitLab Issues to do an appropriate variation on Kanban, so long as I have their Scoped Labels (which seems to be in the $29/user/month Premium plan). I like the tight integration with the Git workflows, and I like not having to manage yet another SaaS. Do some of your users need the $99 Ultimate plan, and GitLab salespeople couldn't meet you at workable pricing for your users who mostl…

I don't think you can pick and choose the plans per user? We're currently using the security features of GitLab Ultimate and as far as I've understood it, that's $99/month/user for every user you need on your GitLab license.

I think enterprise software agreements can often be negotiated.

In the case of GitLab, their pricing page has the usual easy ordering buttons for each pricing tier, but the $99 tier button also has a prominent "Contact Sales" link right below the button. https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/

Once you're already paying sticker price, and have invested in using it (i.e., moving to a competitor is a lot of work), your negotiating position will be different, but the vendor can still lose the account, if customer is unhappy enough to eat the moving costs.

Re: Plane – Open-source Jira alternative

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Post by andrewaylett »

sanitycheck wrote: post #119
IshKebab wrote: post #113

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I strongly disagree. You can't easily have conversations about issues in Git and even if you could do you really want to have a commit for each message? I'm aware of some systems that try to tack issue tracking onto Git in a similar way to Fossil, but they just aren't as good as a proper issue tracker. That said, Jira is a terrible issue tracker. I do not understand how it is so bad given that it is literally its onl…

As you touched on, the major problem with Jira is actually that it does so much nobody (roughly) knows how to use it. You get 3 levels if you include Epic (Epic > Task > Subtask). You can set up a sprint/kanban board filter to cover multiple projects, so this does actualy gives you multiple projects per sprint. I do agree that it's slow and doesn't update itself to reflect changes. The two groups of people who hate J…

If you're Enterprise enough, you can have a lot more levels than that!

We appear to have four levels of grouping above "Epic", albeit none of them are even visible in our sprints.

Re: Plane – Open-source Jira alternative

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Post by RockRobotRock »

jitl wrote: post #94
thejammahimself wrote: post #79

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Out of interest: what sort of troubles has it given? (if you're able to say)

- Corporate firewalls don’t like people visiting .so Somalia URLs. Wouldn’t have this problem with .com. We had to fight hard for domain reputation. - Back in the day communication between us, our registrar, a middleman registrar in Germany, and SomaliNIC wasn’t too good. We weren’t notified of a takedown report and got DNS blocked by a bunch of ISPs offline for 8 hours. Even figuring out what happened on that one wa…

My domain uses an Afghanistan (.af) domain. They actually froze new registrations after the Kabul takeover.

Re: Plane – Open-source Jira alternative

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Post by gorgoiler »

pydry wrote: post #54
jillesvangurp wrote: post #42

> Simplify your transition to Waterfall, Agile, and other workflows to keep up team's momentum with Cycles and Modules. LOL, at least they are honest about companies doing waterfall style planning being their target audience.

The closer you are to agile the more basic your ticketing system needs and vice versa. You could probably do without one at all even.

Most of my “tasks” are buggy, poorly written, feature incomplete, draft requests for code review which come with an implied contract that early feedback is welcome, but that I’ll let you know when it’s actually ready, and I promise to either make good on that or cancel the request and say why before the end of the quarter.

Planning schmanning!

Re: Plane – Open-source Jira alternative

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Post by aiisjustanif »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #42

> Simplify your transition to Waterfall, Agile, and other workflows to keep up team's momentum with Cycles and Modules. LOL, at least they are honest about companies doing waterfall style planning being their target audience.

I mean sometimes waterfall is required depending on the industry, especially industrial or space and some of government and medical.

Re: Plane – Open-source Jira alternative

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Post by Mister_Snuggles »

berkes wrote: post #48
slifin wrote: post #19

Does this one allow you to assign more than one person to a ticket?

This bothers me on almost all project management software. What I'd love to see, is to be able to assign one person as the one "responsible" and then assign others ad-hoc when/if they work on-, review-, discuss, or co-author it. Some software allows multiple assignees, but as the ancient management-saying goes: if everyone is responsible, no-one is. So i'd still love to have one person assigned with a special role or…

At my work we have a couple of different roles that get involved in each ticket, so we created custom fields in Jira to assign those roles.

So each ticket gets a Primary Developer, Primary SME, etc, but might get assigned to some one else to do one small bit of work (e.g., it'll get assigned to a different developer for code review, but whoever's listed as the Primary Developer is still responsible for it).

Re: Plane – Open-source Jira alternative

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Post by indymike »

anthonyskipper wrote: post #72
pydry wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The closer you are to agile the more basic your ticketing system needs and vice versa. You could probably do without one at all even.

^ You nailed it. The only issue tracker you need today comes with your source code repo. Both github and gitlab are not only more than sufficient, they are arguably better because the stripped down natures keeps people from doing silly things like all the jira anti-patterns.

> Both github and gitlab are not only more than sufficient, they are arguably better because the stripped down natures

I can show you plenty of repos where people do silly things with Github and Gitlab tickets in a quest to better track all the work that will never get done.

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